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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.

For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:

Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.

Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.

Scope

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CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.

Current discussions

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Discussions awaiting closure

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 5 (17 open)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 3 (1 open)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 2 (1 open)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 30 (2 open)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 28 (1 open)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 26 (1 open)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 25 (1 open)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 24 (2 open)
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 19 (2 open)

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.

How to use CfD

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Nomination procedure

Twinkle

You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.

Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.

MassCFD

You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to automatically make mass nominations.

Manual nominations

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Preliminary steps.

Before nominating a category:

Read and understand the guidance for category names and overcategorization.
For categories containing biographical articles, read the guidance for categorization of people.
For categories containing the user pages of Wikipedians, read the guidance for user categories.

In the following special cases:

If a category is a red link, then it is already deleted (or was never created in the first place) and does not need to be nominated.
If a category is unpopulated, use {{db-catempty}} to request it be speedily deleted in 7 days.
If a category is populated solely by a template (other than a stub template, see #Stub types below) and you are proposing to delete both the category and template, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion.

For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style.

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Edit the category.

Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.

Otherwise, if nominating a single category:

For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd}}
For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category}}
- For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2}}
For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name}}
For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2}}
For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name}}
For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion}}

If nominating a group of related categories, use a bundled nomination:

For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd|CfD section name}}
For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category|CfD section name}}
- For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2|CfD section name}}
For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name|CfD section name}}
For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|CfD section name}}
For converting the category into a list, {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name|CfD section name}}
For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion|CfD section name}}

Include "CfD", "CfM", "CfR", "CfS" or "CfL" in the edit summary, and do not mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving.
To add the template for previous nomination days, use the "full" version of the template by appending "full" to the template name, i.e. {{cfd full}}, {{cfm full}}, {{cfr full}}, {{cfs full}} and {{cfl full}}. Use the |day=, |month= and |year= parameters to make the banner link to the correct CfD page.
Consider adding {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 September 13|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the category's creator.
For details about these templates, see each template's documentation.

III

Create the CFD section.

Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries.

Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the text= parameter, omit the Category: prefix and do not use wikilinks, as the template takes care of this.

If nominating a single category:

For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}}
For merging, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}}
- For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category 1|target2=Destination category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}}
For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr2|Current category|Proposed name|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}
For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs2|Current category|Proposed category 1|Proposed category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}}
For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfc2|Current category|Proposed article|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}}
For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd2|Current category|type=other type|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}}

For a bundled nomination, use one of the standard templates to build the "Cfd section name" for the first nominated category. After saving that, the second and subsequent nominations must be inserted manually, as follows:

==== Cfd section name ====

* 1st category

* 2nd category [Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming]

* Your reason for nominating the categories, and signature.

If a bundled nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide some of the nominated categories.
In your reason, use links if mentioning articles or categories. To link to a category, use the colon trick by adding a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, e.g. [[:Category:Foo]].
Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Stub types

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Preliminary steps.

In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:

Read and understand guidance for creating stub types and stub type naming conventions.
Review the list of existing stub types—be advised, this list may not be comprehensive.
If you wish to:
- Create a new stub type—follow the procedure for proposing new stub types.
- Delete, merge or rename a stub category only, without deleting or renaming the associated stub template—follow the instructions above this section.
- Delete or rename a stub template—continue to section II.

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Edit the template.

Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.

For deletion, use {{subst:Sfd-t|Section name}}
For renaming, use {{subst:Sfr-t|Proposed name|Section name}}

Please include "SFD" or "SFR" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving.
Consider notifying the template's creator on their talk page. To find the contributor, check the page history of the stub template.

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Create the CFD section.

Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries.

Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):

For deletion, use {{subst:sfd-t2|TemplateName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}}
For renaming, use {{subst:sfr-t2|TemplateOldName|TemplateNewName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}}

In your rationale, mention how many articles currently use the template to help other editors. When linking to a category in your rationale, always add a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating.
Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Notifying interested projects and editors

In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 September 13|CfD section name}} ~~~~ or write a personalized message.

Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the category

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}} to inform the category's creator and all other editors.

Notifying other interested editors

It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Closing procedure

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After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.

Redirecting categories

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In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.

In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.

Speedy renaming and merging

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This page has a backlog that requires the attention of willing editors.
Please remove this notice when the backlog is cleared.

Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

Determine which speedy criterion applies
Tag category page with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} or {{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

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The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

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Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

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Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

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Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

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Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.

C2E: Author request

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This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous page

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This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 15:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 2,139 open requests (refresh).

Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

Category:Populated places in Vukovar-Syrmia County to Category:Populated places in Vukovar-Srijem County – C2D: per main space Vukovar-Srijem County Joy (talk) 10:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Glenville State College to Category:Glenville State University - WP:C2D per Glenville State University. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Glenville State College people to Category:Glenville State University people (leaving redirect)
  - Category:Glenville State College alumni to Category:Glenville State University alumni (leaving redirect)
  - Category:Glenville State College faculty to Category:Glenville State University faculty (leaving redirect)
Category:Ape inc games to Category:Ape Inc. games – C2D. MimirIsSmart (talk) 22:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Natural Monuments of Nepal to Category:Natural monuments of Nepal – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:National Seashores of the United States to Category:National seashores of the United States – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:National Lakeshores of the United States to Category:National lakeshores of the United States – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:National Monuments in Guyana to Category:National monuments in Guyana – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:National Monuments of Colombia to Category:National monuments of Colombia – C2A: See also National monuments of Colombia. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:National Parks in Indiana to Category:National parks in Indiana – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:National Scenic Trails of the United States to Category:National scenic trails of the United States – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Proposed National Parks of Canada to Category:Proposed national parks of Canada – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:National Parks of Canada to Category:National parks of Canada – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:National Monuments of the United States to Category:National monuments of the United States – C2A: Caps fixes. For example, National monument (United States) was moved in 2019 to the downcased title and is lowercased in the article throughout when plural and not when referring to an individually named monument. Also see List of national monuments of the United States. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — The 2019 renaming referred to above occurred via WP:RM/TR after two previous unsuccessful attempts through the standard RM process. In other words, someone went venue-shopping for a less discerning group of editors. It wasn't uncontroversial then and shouldn't be considered uncontroversial now. I'd bet the same circumstances apply to other pages nominated alongside this one. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:34, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear @RadioKAOS, are you objecting to all national monument title changes alone, or also all other national forest nominations as well? Hey man im josh (talk) 13:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @RadioKAOS, just following up on this to see if the other sets can be processed, or whether you oppose just the national monuments renamings? Hey man im josh (talk) 13:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RadioKAOS, I believe myself and the admins who process the requests on this page would REALLY appreciate an answer on this. Additionally, even if we don't consider National monument (United States)'s move to be valid, the 2018 move by (now former) admin DGG of List of national monuments of the United States, which had a discussion preceding it, was a valid move and reason enough to move forward with the category renaming from my POV. Please at the very least clarify whether your objections are to the national monumemnt renamings, or also the national forest ones as well. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you responded after I stopped checking regularly for a response, so thank you for the note on my talk page. DGG is deceased, so it's obviously not an option to seek his input. I'm opposed to using obscure corners of project space to bypass discussion on items which should be discussed. Some editors in those project spaces appear only interested in pursuing (a purely superficial notion of) consistency, often without regard for whether there was any consistency involved WRT consensus enroute to that point. Hence, my earlier mention of venue-shopping. I have no strong opinion on capitalization variants other than they're often time wasters that stand in the way of moving the project forward. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't answer the question @RadioKAOS, we need to know whether you're opposing just the national monuments nominations, or also the national forest nominations. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I left them a message after the above reply on their talk page and I've left them another one now. We still need clarity on whether the objection is just to the national monuments renamings, or the other renamings as well, including the national forests. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a ridiculous failure of communication... They've been pinged for clarity four times and had three messages left on their talk page about this. Personally I think it's reasonable to proceed with all but the national monuments nominations since there's been a lot of effort made to seek out clarity on this and they're not providing it. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe they're talking about the monuments categories solely, but I'm obviously a bit biased as the nominator. Any thoughts @Ymblanter? Hey man im josh (talk) 17:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Burmese magazines to Category:Magazines published in Myanmar – C2C: To match category tree of Category:Magazines by country and Category:Mass media in Myanmar. AusLondonder (talk) 18:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Burmese magazines might mean "magazines published in Myanmar" or "Burmese-language magazines" or both. Either way, needs clarification. Her Pegship (?) 19:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Sukhum Okrug to Category:People from Sukhum okrug – C2D: Sukhumi okrug. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Sukhum Okrug to Category:Sukhumi okrug – C2D: Sukhumi okrug. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:People from Batum Oblast to Category:People from Batum oblast – C2D: Batum oblast. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Batum Oblast to Category:Batum oblast – C2D: Batum oblast. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Kars Oblast to Category:Kars oblast – C2D: Kars oblast. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:People from Kars Oblast to Category:People from Kars oblast – C2D: Kars oblast. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:10th-century Somali people to Category:10th-century Somalian people – C2C: parent is Somalian people by century Mason (talk) 02:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:11th-century Somali people to Category:11th-century Somalian people Mason (talk) 02:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this should go to full CfD. There is also Category:Ethnic Somali people and the country Somalia did not exist yet in the 11th and 12th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Honorary Fellows of Bangla Academy to Category:Honorary fellows of Bangla Academy – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Honorary Fellows of Newnham College, Cambridge to Category:Honorary fellows of Newnham College, Cambridge
- Category:Honorary Fellows of Selwyn College, Cambridge to Category:Honorary fellows of Selwyn College, Cambridge
- Category:Honorary Fellows of St Peter's College, Oxford to Category:Honorary fellows of St Peter's College, Oxford
- Category:Honorary Fellows of Trinity College Dublin to Category:Honorary fellows of Trinity College Dublin
  - Oppose: Fellows (and Scholars) are usually capitalised in usage within Trinity College Dublin, for example see https://www.tcd.ie/Secretary/FellowsScholars/fellowship/ - David Malone (talk) 21:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Dwmalone: For clarity, are you opposing just the one instance, or the entire set of honorary fellow nominees? Hey man im josh (talk) 17:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh: The Trinity College Dublin one, specifically, as I know it is usually capitalised. I suspect it may be true of others too, but I don't know for sure. David Malone (talk) 13:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Dwmalone: My understanding has always been that "Fellow" would be capitalized as a title but the pluralized version is not given to individuals, and is treated as MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Not in TCD anyway - see the link above. The Fellows and the Scholars are both specific groups defined within the statutes of the university, and always seem to be capitalised. The related terms (Fellow, Fellowship, Scholar, Scholarship) are all usually capitalised when they are used to mean these specific roles/groups/... David Malone (talk) 14:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Academy of Medical Educators to Category:Honorary fellows of the Academy of Medical Educators
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the African Academy of Sciences to Category:Honorary fellows of the African Academy of Sciences
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the American Institute of Architects to Category:Honorary fellows of the American Institute of Architects
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the British Academy to Category:Honorary fellows of the British Academy
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the British Pharmacological Society to Category:Honorary fellows of the British Pharmacological Society
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Canadian College of Medical Geneticists to Category:Honorary fellows of the Canadian College of Medical Geneticists
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Faculty of Public Health to Category:Honorary fellows of the Faculty of Public Health
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Institute of Physics to Category:Honorary fellows of the Institute of Physics
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the London School of Economics to Category:Honorary fellows of the London School of Economics
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal Academy of Engineering to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal Academy of Engineering
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal College of General Practitioners to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal College of General Practitioners
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal College of Nursing to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal College of Nursing
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal College of Physicians to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal College of Physicians
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal College of Surgeons to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal College of Surgeons
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal Microscopical Society to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal Microscopical Society
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal Society to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal Society
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal Society of Edinburgh to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal Society of Edinburgh
- Category:Honorary Fellows of the Royal Society of New Zealand to Category:Honorary fellows of the Royal Society of New Zealand

Category:PWHL Toronto to Category:Toronto Sceptres – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:PWHL Ottawa to Category:Ottawa Charge – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:PWHL Montreal to Category:Montreal Victoire – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:PWHL Boston to Category:Boston Fleet – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:PWHL New York to Category:New York Sirens – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From what I see, the articles were moved three days ago without any discussion. Whereas it is probably a good move, it would be safer to take them to CfD to avoid potentially moving back and forth. Ymblanter (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed requests

Category:LGBT studies academics to Category:LGBTQ studies academics – C2D: The field itself and its parent category is Queer studies or LGBTQ studies, so this subcat should match it. Raladic (talk) 18:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i am pretty sure someone will oppose the move, so it would be better to go for a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 19:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved down to on hold pending the close of the below linked Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2024_September#LGBTQ of the other related LGBT -> LGBTQ moves. Raladic (talk) 18:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, the MR just concluded as predicted closed as endorsed.

Pinging @Ymblanter - I suppose we can move this and all the below LGBT -> LGBTQ moves back into active to process now? Raladic (talk) 23:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bluerasberry still needs to withdraw his objection – CFDS is like WP:PROD in that it has to be unopposed and anyone can object for any reason (or no reason) at any time. I have asked him to reconsider below. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 23:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:LGBT writers to Category:LGBTQ writers – C2D: Consistent with parent LGBTQ article and List of LGBTQ writers after recent Talk:LGBTQ#Requested_move_14_August_2024 discussion per WP:CONSUB Raladic (talk) 02:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:LGBT events to Category:LGBTQ events – C2D: Consistent with parent LGBTQ article after recent Talk:LGBTQ#Requested_move_14_August_2024 discussion per WP:CONSUB (which was further endorsed in MR). These event categories are not strict LGBT, but contain LGBTQ related events Raladic (talk) 21:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Censorship of LGBT issues to Category:Censorship of LGBTQ issues – C2D: Per Talk:LGBTQ#Requested move 14 August 2024 BlasterOfHouses (talk) 02:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose pending Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2024_September#LGBTQ Bluerasberry (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Bluerasberry: do you still object to these moves, now that Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2024 September#LGBTQ (closed) was closed as endorse? Best, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 23:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HouseBlaster: Yes. Instead of doing a speedy move, can you do a move discussion, and post the rationale there? Perhaps WP:CONSUB. @Dekimasu:, would you like to interpret your original close? Did that cover this too? User_talk:Dekimasu#LGBT_->_LGBTQ_move Bluerasberry (talk) 22:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple people have already supported the move of sub articles (whether it be in Talk:LGBTQ community#Requested move 27 August 2024 RM and (myself including) have started moving various articles that are uncontroversial as many have for a long term already explained the Q in addition to the LGBT. The relevant policy that covers the category now following suit is WP:C2D.

Do you want a collective category move discussion for all categories as a sort of “sampling”? In any case I don’t think there will be any good policy based reason to oppose, other than the personal WP:JDL at this point and we should stop rehashing the same arguments over and over. As for you pinging the closer of the original RM, asking for interpretation, he already did that in his close he noted: This move may require changes to the article text to conform to the new title, and may imply that templates, categories, etc. should also be moved; please consider contributing to this sort of cleanup. - so yes, it implied that categories will likely (using the word may) follow suit in line with our existing consistency policies (CONSUB for artices, C2D for categories) for main and sub-topic relationships. Raladic (talk) 23:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raladic (cc: Ymblanter), a common position I see in the move review discussion was that the RM result should strictly only apply to the article, while further renaming of the very numerous associated pages should be subject to further discussion I'd throw in another oppose for all these LGBT/LGBTQ speedies. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, these were moved and may need to be moved back:--Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT identities to Category:LGBTQ identities
- Category:LGBT by location to Category:LGBTQ by location
- Category:LGBT-related lists to Category:LGBTQ-related lists
- Category:LGBT and society to Category:LGBTQ and society
- Category:LGBT culture to Category:LGBTQ culture
- Category:LGBT history to Category:LGBTQ history
- Category:LGBT family to Category:LGBTQ family
- Category:LGBT-owned businesses to Category:LGBTQ-owned businesses
- Category:LGBT people to Category:LGBTQ people
- Category:LGBT studies to Category:LGBTQ studies
- Category:Works about LGBT topics to Category:Works about LGBTQ topics
- Category:Writers on LGBT topics to Category:Writers on LGBTQ topics
- Category:LGBT youth to Category:LGBTQ youth
- Category:LGBT stubs to Category:LGBTQ stubs
- Category:LGBT-related biography stubs to Category:LGBTQ-related biography stubs
- Category:LGBT book stubs to Category:LGBTQ book stubs
- Category:LGBT event stubs to Category:LGBTQ event stubs
- Category:LGBT fiction stubs to Category:LGBTQ fiction stubs
  The RM was endorced, restoring to the queue. Some have already been processed, but the backlinks still need to be checked.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now the move has been opposed again. I am not going to process via speedy any LGBT categories for at least a few months, this is a massive waste of my time. Thank you for understanding.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PWHL Toronto coaches to Category:Toronto Sceptres coaches – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't move the coaches categories, just the teams. This was erroneous on my part. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:PWHL Ottawa coaches to Category:Ottawa Charge coaches – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requested in error Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:PWHL New York coaches to Category:New York Sirens coaches – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requested in error Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:PWHL Montreal coaches to Category:Montreal Victoire coaches – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requested in error Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:PWHL Boston coaches to Category:Boston Fleet coaches – C2D. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requested in error Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 04:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From what I see, the articles were moved three days ago without any discussion. Whereas it is probably a good move, it would be safer to take them to CfD to avoid potentially moving back and forth. Ymblanter (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lost works to Category:Lost media – C2D: Per main article, lost media. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – That's not an eponymous article. The hatnote at the top of Lost media says "This article is about lost audiovisual media. For other types of lost works, see Lost literary work and Lost artworks." Category:Lost works is for all works. Mclay1 (talk) 11:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tyla (South African singer) to Category:Tyla – The main article Tyla (South African singer) was moved to Tyla. dxneo (talk) 03:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose speedy because "Tyla" is an ambiguous term. 1857a (talk) 04:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And so is Chris Brown, Rihanna and so on. The rationale was not to swap per PRIMARY but to move as there's currently nothing at Category:Tyla. Does opposing mean Category:Tyla will never be created because there's a lot of Tylas? dxneo (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This opposition is only to the speedy renaming of this category (C2D does not generally apply when removing a disambiguator from an ambiguous term). The category may be renamed to Category:Tyla via full discussion, if there is consensus. 1857a (talk) 01:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
understandable Thank you. dxneo (talk) 01:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1857a, would it have been okay if I moved it myself before coming here? dxneo (talk) 14:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Historical poems to Category:Historical poetry – C2D Anomalous+0 (talk) 22:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, it is a set category, not a topic category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Premiers of Niue to Category:Prime ministers of Niue – C2D: Following move from Premier of Niue to Prime Minister of Niue, per 2024 Niuean constitutional referendum. (Capitalization is consistent with Category:Prime ministers by country and its subcategories.) Sources are provided in the article on the referendum, but for completeness: see an article explaining the referendum, and the official results. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jlwoodwa Would the leaders prior to 2024 still have the old title? (That's a question, not an objection.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RevelationDirect: Good point; I hadn't considered that. The article's headline (Niue set for first Prime Minister as constitutional changes pass second reading) suggests that former Premiers would not be Prime Ministers. However, the referendum itself is to change the Title of Premier to Prime Minister, and since nothing else about the position is changing, I don't think it justifies separating the office-holders into two categories. This now seems nontrivial enough that it should be discussed at CfD proper, though… jlwoodwa (talk) 01:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jlwoodwa The Philippines moved from a PM to President and has a category for the old title, Category:Prime ministers of the Philippines, with a parent category to hold both titles, Category:Heads of government of the Philippines. If we agree on that approach and it's non-controversial with other editors, you wouldn't necesarily need a CFD since you're just adding categories. (This is a long way of saying I've moved to Oppose on the rename.) RevelationDirect (talk) 14:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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