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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

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WP:RGUIDE

The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history)

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The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

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WP:RFD#DELETE

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
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If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting

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WP:RFD#KEEP

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

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WP:RNEUTRAL

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

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WP:RFDHOWTO

STEP I.

Tag the redirect(s).

Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page.

Does this look too complicated?
Try this semi-automated process instead: (note only confirmed users can use this)

Enable Twinkle in the Gadgets tab of your preferences.
Go back to the redirect page, and choose "XFD" from the new Twinkle menu.
Fill in the form and submit it.

Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
Please include in the edit summary the phrase:
Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
Save the page ("Publish changes").
If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination.
If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated.

STEP II.

List the entry on RfD.

Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.

Enter this text below the date heading:

{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}}

~~~~

For this template:
- Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
- Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
Please use an edit summary such as:
Nominating [[RedirectName]]
(replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:

{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}}

{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}

{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}}

~~~~

If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.

STEP III.

Notify users.

It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate.

To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template

{{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~

may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as:
Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]

Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

If this page has been recently modified, it may not reflect the most recent changes.
Please purge this page to view the most recent changes.

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September 13

Sonderjyllands Fkyvelselsskab

Sonderjyllands Fkyvelselsskab → Cimber_Sterling#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This re-direct has a spelling error - I therefore created a new redirect page (Sonderjyllands Flyveselskab) so I propose the old re-direct is deleted. Ydemark (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Event Pokemon

Event Pokemon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

uh... retarget to gameplay of pokémon#distributions? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon and description

Pokemon and description → List of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

target is missing the "description" part. while the more focused lists of pokémon for each generation have those, i find it unlikely that someone searching for this would be looking for any specific gen cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pokemon by species

List of Pokemon by species → List of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

what are different pokémon, if not different species? does this count as redundant, or...? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The target is a list of Pokémon species (as opposed to individual Pokémon), so this seems plausible, albeit we don't have any other lists of Pokémon. Like a "List of people by name". 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Devon scope

Devon scope → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

thought i nominated this before, whoops. unmentioned, unnotable, and unimportant (unless you really like kecleon or something) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yars Rising

Yars Rising → Yars' Revenge#Follow-ups and remakes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete per WP:REDLINK as the game itself is notable and an article can be created there. Making a redirect will make editors assume it is not in fact notable. As REDLINK says, "please do not 'kill' red links by redirect because their red color (annoying to some readers) seems to scream for a fix. It is easy to turn any red link blue by creating a redirect, but valid red links exist for a reason". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

create yars' rising, and then delete both per nom cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish Plane Crash

Turkish Plane Crash → Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is far from being the only crash of a Turkish plane or the only plane crash in Turkey. Delete this redirect.Mr slav999 (talk) 04:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if we have a list or category of plane crashes in Turkey that might make an appropriate disambiguating target. List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location#Turkey exists but does not cover all accidents (e.g. military aircraft). Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in Turkey is a navbox listing all the incidents in Turkey notable enough for a stand-alone article plus a link to List of hijackings of Turkish airplanes. Neither will contain Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 (the present target) as that crash happened in Amsterdam. Turkish Airlines#Incidents and accidents is relevant too, but there are 11 other airlines of Turkey with their own article. Category:Accidents and incidents by airline of Turkey‎ does exist but I don't know how comprehensive it is - and it too only covers airlines. Category:Turkish Air Force contains no obviously titled articles. Thryduulf (talk) 05:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Ambiguous (could refer to crashes in Turkey or crashes of Turkish planes). No suitable alternative target per Thryduulf. No incoming links, not a useful search term. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Glaring violation of WP:TITLEDAB. Carguychris (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Brainworm

Bobby Brainworm → Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Appears just to be a social media insult/nickname used for RFK Jr, I do not see any use of this term outside of forums/social media. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: a) Nominator's rationale isn't really enough to justify deletion of a redirect (indeed, admitting usage in social media and forums FAVORS keeping it) , b) RFK Jr having a Brainworm is RIGHT THERE in an article _pbp 04:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is mentioned, but 'Bobby Brainworm' just appears to be a disparaging nickname, see WP:R#DELETE #3. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:01, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
R#DELETE #3 contains the caveat: "unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article". Since Bobby's brainworm is discussed in the article, that caveat would clearly apply here _pbp 06:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete Per WP:G10. While the fact that he had a worm in his brain was confirmed by sources, this is clearly not a neutral phrase and is more of a disparaging nickname as indicated by its capitalization and the slang version of his name. If it was something like "RFK brainworm" then the "keep" !vote would have more of a point. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wikipedia policy: Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion _pbp 12:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - And I would argue that WP:G10 absolutely does not apply to redirects as redirects are not user-facing... we expressly allow (and even encourage!) non-NPOV redirects, biased redirects, and so forth as search and navigation assistence. If the term is getting use on social media, someone may stumble upon such use and not understand what it is. A good reaction to not knowing what something is is to type it verbatim into the wikipedia search bar, where it will explain what the thing is. This redirect serves that purpose well, and even explains why the nickname exists even if the article doesn't mention the nickname exactly. Again, redirects are NOT USER FACING. No one will see it who has not already seen it elsewhere and is directly trying to find out what it means. Fieari (talk) 07:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, then where exactly is the phrase commonly used in reliable sources making it required for navigational assistance? Redirects are not commonly based on social media trends, which people can claim to be nearly anything because there's no way to confirm it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per pbp and WP:RNEUTRAL. Thryduulf (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't see the point. Google found a mere 48 hits before "we have omitted some entries very similar...." And a few of those 48 were this redirect and discussion. (Total hits, including the dupes, was only 527.) "Bobby brainworm" does not have enough use for Google Trends search term lookup. There has been exactly one use of this redirect in the pageview statistics, and possibly that was the creator or somebody checking out the new addition. Aside from people's possible 'har har' value from seeing a pejorative sobriquet in Wikipedia, this adds nothing. -- M.boli (talk) 13:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page views are not reliable in this case because views before the redirect was created on the 11 September are not recorded so we have no idea how much it is being used. Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anti‑LGBT

Anti‑LGBT → Outline of LGBTQ topics#Anti-LGBT topics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anti-GLBT → Outline of LGBTQ topics#Anti-LGBT topics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anti-LGBT → Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anti-LGBTQ → Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anti-LGBTQ+ → LGBT rights opposition (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This needs some consistency. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget all to Outline of LGBTQ topics#Anti-LGBTQ topics as the most broad overview. The others are too specific to point to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WİKİPEDİA

WİKİPEDİA → Wikipedia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible redirect Largoplazo (talk) 02:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Either WP:RLOTE or just nonsense. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Our article about the dotted I character notes it's used in six languages. I looked at the main page of the Wikipedias in all six of those languages and not one of them use this spelling of Wikipedia (Kazakh and Tatar use the Cyrillic script, the others all start with V). Google is useless as it does not distinguish between "I" and "İ", so despite knowing that Turkish speakers sometimes use the letter when writing English I know of no way to see if they do so in this manner and the redirect is too new to have any recorded page views so that's no help either. The creator does not have a user page, but their contributions show no apparent affinity to topics associated with any of the six languages and didn't leave an edit summary or other explanation when creating it, so there is no evidence to support the redirect being useful. Thryduulf (talk) 04:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Pure nonsense. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 07:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is just "Wikipedia" converted to upper case in accordance with Turkish casing rules, so falls vaguely under WP:RLOTE. The search box interprets upper case dotted Is as if they were normal Is anyway (e.g. a search for "FİTBİT", which does not have an equivalent FİTBİT redirect, takes you directly to Fitbit). Rosbif73 (talk) 08:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Vandalism cruft. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VVikipedia

VVikipedia → Wikipedia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible redirect Largoplazo (talk) 02:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People unable to use their W key will write two Vs instead. Whether that makes this plausible I do not know. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an epidemic of people unable to use their W keys? If so, has research established that they do this? And what do people who can't use their S keys or their A keys or their N keys do? Largoplazo (talk) 11:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The stats page is giving me an error. Is that because it's 100% unused or is the server just hiccuping? Fieari (talk) 04:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neither. The stats tool only records data for extant pages, and this was created less than 24 hours ago meaning it has no data to show (and handles this ungracefully). Thryduulf (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. It seems there are a few closed/still-born projects with this name, several usernames, a wiki on Fandom with 13 articles in Brazilian Portuguese, lots of usernames (most prominently a youtuber who posts videos related to skateboarding) and a handful of OCR-type errors. https://vvikipedia.com/ [it's blacklisted so I can't link] is none of those, but quite what it's purpose is I don't understand - it's a very crude rewrite of Wikipedia pages to say what you want (e.g. I input "France" and "Dijon is the capital" in the input boxes and got https://vvikipedia.com/wiki/en-US/France/Dijon%20is%20the%20capital. That aside none of these are notable, so the only question us whether this is a plausible search term for Wikipedia. Certainly nobody using this search term will be WP:SURPRISED to end up at the Wikipedia article, but will people use it? I don't know - it's too new to have any recorded page views. As it's harmless I think the best thing to do is leave it alone for about 3 months and see whether it's getting used or not - if it is leave it alone some more, if it isn't bring it back here. Thryduulf (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They will be surprised to end up at the Wikipedia article if, as you say, there are other projects with this name, in which case someone searching on this name is looking for that. Your two arguments are undermining each other. Largoplazo (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Thryduul pointed out OCR errors as a potential use case, and that sounds like a useful thing to redirect for to me. (Not to mention, unambiguous target, harmless, WP:CHEAP, etc.) At the very least, give it a year or so to see how much it's actually used in practice. Fieari (talk) 06:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Vandalism cruft. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per thryduulf's arguments being tvvo sides of the same skill issue. one highly implausible, and one reliant on everyone conveniently forgetting that this redirect vvas uncontroversially deleted before (granted, it vvas in 2014, so eh) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sideslip angle

Sideslip angle → Slip (aerodynamics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Web search mostly brings up content related to slip angle as opposed to the aviation term. Whatever the outcome, a side-slip angle redirect should probably be created with the same target. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I agree that the term is rarely used in aeronautics, because a definition of sideslip is that it is the angle formed between the longitudinal axis of the aircraft and its velocity vector, so calling it a sideslip angle is kinda redundant. Sort of like saying "cosine angle". (In automotive terms this is called "dog tracking", caused by poor wheel alignment, because that's how a dog walks.) In diagrams it's most often represented as the math symbol theta, as in "slip θ" or "sideslip θ". I have no opinion on what to do with the redirect, because I simply came due to the notice placed at the target article, but thought I'd give my two cents on the matter if it helps anyone decide. Zaereth (talk) 02:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I follow your analogy since a cosine is generally not understood as an angle, but from what I understand from the article, a sideslip can be a qualitative condition while the angle is unambiguously quantitative. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In practical application, such as refraction in optics, sine and cosine are directly translatable into angles. For example, according to the Machinery's Handbook, if sine is 0.707107 then what you have there is a 45 degree angle, regardless of run or rise. Likewise, cosine is a measurement of the opposite angle, which at 45 degrees is also 0.707107. The point is nobody calls it a cosine angle. Likewise, in aeronautic books nobody ever calls it a slip angle, they simply say your slip is 20 degrees, or 30 degrees, or whatever the case may be (because it's a variable). You only see that kind of language being used by amateurs, which is why it doesn't show up as much on google. Zaereth (talk) 05:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The page Sideslip is presently a redirect to Slip (aerodynamics) so nothing is achieved by having a second redirect from Sideslip angle. Dolphin (t) 05:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This phrase is very common according to web searches, so I disagree that we shouldn't have a redirect for this. In addition, if this was to be retargeted to slip angle, then the targets would even be different pages. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Slip angle, as that page expressly has sideslip angle in bold as an alternative name for it in the lead sentence. There is also a hatnote pointing to the aeronautics article as well, so that will catch the rarer use case. I would certainly not object if someone created side-slip angle and pointed it to the same destination. Fieari (talk) 06:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pax Softonica

Pax Softonica → List of Nintendo development teams#Pax Softnica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect should be deleted, as it links to a section of the target article which had been removed. It is also a typo redirect of a company which had been deleted years earlier (Pax Softnica), which was demonstrated to be lacking in notability. MimirIsSmart (talk) 01:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Side-slipping

Side-slipping → Outside (jazz)#Side-slipping (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sideslipping → Outside (jazz) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

May also refer to sideslip. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as this has the exact name of the thing being searched, but we can add a hatnote to slip angle and/or slip (aeronautics) to clear things up. We should probably Refine Sideslipping to the subsection as well, to be consistent and also in case the article expands more. Fieari (talk) 06:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Needs attention. Yes, of course sideslip or side-slip is a standard alternative term for outside playing in jazz – see, e.g., K. Engelhardt (1996), Young Charlie Parker and Side-Slipping: the Efferge Ware Connection. Jazz Research Papers. 16: 177–188. But it's also used in classical contexts: Grove Music uses it in relation to Bizet, Elgar, Richard Strauss and Vincenzo Tommasini. 1234qwer1234qwer4, you brought this here, but I don't see that you've made any proposal; what are your thoughts? Can you confirm that you are not proposing deletion? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, whenever there is ambiguity I generally imply that the question to discuss is whether the term should be retargeted, disambiguated or hatnoted. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcastive

Sarcastive → Sarcasm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

the history says some haiman guy coined the word, but i found nothing on its origin or existence, and haiman is a dab. not sure if it refers to john haiman or some other unmentioned haiman. please pretend this was written in a clever, sarcastic way cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Economic totalitarianism

Economic totalitarianism → Compulsory cartel#Types of compulsory cartels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It was originally an essay, which got turned into a redirect. The redirect target was changed several times until someone finally found an article that actually mentioned "economic totalitarianism", but that mention has since been removed because it was a POV-pushing essay. Hence, there is no plausible target. Un assiolo (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Walter Nash. Paradoctor (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was used as a bit of political rhetoric in a single memorandum. It is absolutely inappropriate to link there just because of that. There are a few other mentions of "economic totalitarianism" in other articles. They are all similar one-off rhetorical accusations. There is no good target. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This was at AfD four times in 2006 and the last mega discussion considered all previous AfDs, and closed as No Consensus. Trialsanderrors converted this to a disambig and reverted it when there was no support at the AfD. Restore this version and AfD again. Jay 💬 15:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. I would oppose restoring the previous article because it is literally just an excerpt from Capitalism and Freedom. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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𐼸𐼰𐼲𐼹𐼷𐼰

𐼸𐼰𐼲𐼹𐼷𐼰 → Sogdian alphabet (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This word means ‘paper’ in Sogdian. It does not make sense to redirect an arbitrary word to an article about the alphabet it is written in. Per WP:RFOREIGN, it would also not be appropriate to retarget it to Paper, because paper does not have any special connection to Sogdian. Therefore, this redirect should be deleted. Gorobay (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as implausible and surprising. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 01:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. WP:RFOR absolutely applies here. Fieari (talk) 07:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Terrokar Forest

Terrokar Forest → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Terokkar Forest → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This specific zone is in fact mentioned at the target, though you'd have to check the spelling. Target is unlikely to be ambiguous, so keep. Izno Public (talk) 02:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Terokkar Forest (correct spelling) per Izno. Neutral on the other one. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 19:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Terrokar Forest, keep Terokkar Forest. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sara Landry

Sara Landry → Mau5trap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not exclusive to Mau5trap. Discussion warranted over abnormally high view counts for a music artist redirect. Jalen Barks (Woof) 23:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Write an article. She is currently touring [1] which might explain the page views. [2], [3], [4] and [5] seem at first glance to be in depth independent coverage in sources that are not obviously unreliable (I've not looked in detail) suggesting that an article would be supportable. Some links to it from pages other than MauStrap would be good once it's written too. Thryduulf (talk) 01:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support writing the article. Independently notable musician. Chubbles (talk) 12:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters

List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of charaters in grand theft auto advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of charaters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of characters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No such list or section at target. However, Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters does exist, but it does not contain a list of characters. (List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restore redirected article [6] until and unless a valid AFD of the article is done (rather than a unilateral undiscussed and unproposed redirect). Softlavender (talk) 02:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore without prejudice per Softlavender and WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Czar since they WP:BLARed List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters in 2015 [7]. Steel1943 (talk) 12:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retain. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a perfectly valid target and alternative to deletion for character lists that are clearly without sourcing for independent notability. The plot section covers everything the reader needs to know about these characters. Sending this unsourced "list" to AfD is needless process unless you think deletion is a better outcome than redirection here. If the "list" title is the issue, then rename as "Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance" but you'd still have the old title pointing to that redirect. czar 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled Kendrick Lamar album

Untitled Kendrick Lamar album → Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This album has been titled for a long time. I don’t see the purpose of having this anymore. Roasted (talk) 21:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete per nom and the spirit of WP:UFILM: Target was released over 2 years ago, which is well over WP:UFILM's traditional 30-day threshold. Steel1943 (talk) 21:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Contrary to Steel, UFILM's 30 day requirement is the bare minimum to stop the most premature of deletions from those who don't understand redirects like this, not permission to delete something older than that let alone a recommendation to do so. The point of a redirect of this nature is to so that readers can find the content they are looking for - we should delete only when they have stopped using it, and 30 days is the absolute minimum time before we can reliable determine that. In this case it's equally likely that they're following old links or looking for information about an album that was described as "in the works" in June [8] (I've not looked in detail but haven't spotted any mention of this) and there is also an untitled album mentioned at Kendrick Lamar albums discography#Unreleased albums. If there were multiple hits a week or more then it would be worth looking further to try and identify an appropraite target, but there aren't. Thryduulf (talk) 01:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just going to call this WP:SOAPBOXing and move on... Steel1943 (talk) 06:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Solitaire (solitaire)

Solitaire (solitaire) → Klondike (solitaire) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

unnecessary disambiguate, don't see how it'll be helpful to someone Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Redundant and unnecessary. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete (delete) per "what target do we even put this in?" cogsan (cogsan) _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, or at least create solitaire (solitaire) ((solitaire)). Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
wouldn't it be solitaire (solitaire (solitaire))? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, perhaps it should have been Solitaire (Klondike), which would also have been redundant, as Solitaire (game) leads to Patience (game) which does mention Solitaire is often used worldwide just to refer to the game of Klondike. Jay 💬 14:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, although I don't have any arguments stronger than the one I gave in my creation message: Klondike the game in the patience genre can also be known as Solitaire the game in the solitaire genre. This matches page titles like Klondike (solitaire) and Spider (solitaire). Dingolover6969 (talk) 16:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - You know what? I buy Dingolover's argument above. That works for me. Klondike is commonly known as simply solitaire after all, as our own article on it confirms, and it is a card game in the solitaire family. Fieari (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Solitaire (disambiguation) which lists Klondike and why it would be searched for that way (a solitaire game called "Solitaire") -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ethan Herisse

Ethan Herisse → When They See Us#Cast and characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Now star of Nickel Boys, among other credits. Nardog (talk) 04:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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HIALS

HIALS → Approach lighting system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 17:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Google tells me this is "High Intensity Approach Lighting System" and I'm surprised it isn't mentioned on the article, so my gut feeling is too add it and keep the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that source 6 in the article mentions ALSF-1 and -2 as high-intensity systems. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 14:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents

Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents → Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team#User right (global) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wikipedia:OTRS members → Wikipedia:Global rights policy#VRT-permissions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wikipedia:Otrs members → Wikipedia:Global rights policy#VRT-permissions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These should ideally point at the same target. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 17:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not certain they should necessarily as, per the first target, VRT permissions agents are a subset of VRT members. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the target of "OTRS members" is exactly about the "VRT permissions agents" group. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 20:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-palindrome

Semi-palindrome → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Half-palindrome → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Anadrome mentions "semi-palindrome" as an "explanation" for the "semordnilap" entry, though that's not exactly helpful. As far as I understand, "anadrome" refers to single-word "semordnilaps" (or "semi-palindromes"), although the very first sentence of that article is tagged with {{cn}}. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Google informs me that both semi- and half-palindromes refer to a word or phrase that, when spelled backwards, results in a DIFFERENT but valid word or phrase in the same language... with anadromes not really being the same thing. By this definition, semi/half-palindromes seem like a pretty cool concept, and one that might even be worthy of an article or subsection within the palindrome article... except that google ALSO informs me the semi-palindromes refer to a word in which only PART of the word is a palindrome, with another part having to be excluded to make the palindrome work... "semordnilaps" (with the s on the end) would be an example thereof, since the final "s" must be excluded to make the anadrome work. This would ALSO be a worthy mention in the palindrome article... if we could find a good solid WP:RS to cite it. All the sources I just found are insufficiently reliable, and of course, are divided between which definition they use. Fieari (talk) 07:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I came back to this, trying to find a reliable source, and basically just ended up finding enough attestations of the word in both definitions (and one more definition besides!) to be able to add it to wiktionary: wikt:semi-palindrome. It might actually just be best to crosswiki to this wiktionary definition instead, since there seems to be no overall consensus of what a semi-palindrome is that we could add to the palindrome article. Fieari (talk) 06:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of cities in Clipperton Island

List of cities in Clipperton Island → Clipperton Island#Politics and government (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Clippterton island has no cities. It is an uninhabited island. The linked section has no list of settlements. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me - I agree the topic itself doesn't exist, but to briefly explain my rationale behind creating it, there is an Template:Oceania topic "List of Cities in Oceania" which automatically populates itself with a redlink to 'List of Cities in Clipperton Island'. I wanted a way to avoid this redlink automatically appearing on dozens of pages in the template, and because I know very little about editing templates I didn't know how to exclude Clipperton Island from the list. Instead I created the redirect to the closest extant topic I could find. I'd note that Clipperton Island was formerly inhabited, and the section of the Clipperton Island page dealing with the history of these various settlements seems to be like the most helpful topic to redirect someone to if they were looking for this information (perhaps I should have linked to a different section of the page to achieve this). I'm happy if the decision is to delete the page but would request someone who knows more about templates finds a way to exclude Clipperton Island from the 'List of Cities in Oceania' template. GeorgmentO (talk) 23:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could not figure out myself. Delete if we can figure it out. I've asked at Template talk:Oceania topic#Avoiding entries in derived templates. Jay 💬 18:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Useful redirect, per Georgmen0 above. I think modifying said template would be significantly more work and effort than just keeping this template in place, and it does point to the nearest concept... and would explain the lack of cities to anyone clicking on the link. Fieari (talk) 07:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Niggling

Niggling → Leaf by Niggle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Irrelevant redirect. Niggling is a form of the verb "niggle", but in the target page, "Niggle" is the name of a character. Batrachoseps (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's very relevant. In Letter 236, Tolkien states that "niggling" was natural to him, and apologizes for it. Scholars have noted the close association of the niggling professor and Niggle the character. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong delete. Not mentioned at the target, and there's no apparent reason why it would redirect here. Just because Tolkien used the word in a letter once to describe himself doesn't mean that this should redirect to a book that has a character whose name is an alternate version of the word. This violates WP:PLA and inhibits searching within Wikipedia, as we see dozens (maybe hundreds) of other articles where the term is used, none of which should be redirected to either. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Demonstation

Demonstation → Protest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This seems to be a typo of "demonstration", which is distinct from "protest" (the former is broader). However, demonstration is a dab. Maybe retarget there? Duckmather (talk) 02:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to the demonstration dab page. --Lenticel ^(talk) 09:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Someone may accidentally type out this redirect while trying to actually type "demon station" ... which seems to be a plausible erroneous search term for Demon FM. Steel1943 (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to demonstration A simple typo seems like a far likelier target than the radio station. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notional-functional syllabus

Notional-functional syllabus → Syllabus#Notional-functional (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Notional-Functional Syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Functional-notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. There is a redlink of "Functional syllabus" at Glossary of language education terms#F, though that does not mention "notional". 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 13:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Esyllabus

Esyllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Online syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Electronic syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Online course syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Target currently does not mention online education. Possibly retarget to Online school or a similar target (see also the "Online education" redirects below)? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 13:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Priestess of the Moon

Priestess of the Moon → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. And not even correct if it were - Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos is the original use, and Tyrande Whisperwind before her article was BLARed would also have been reasonable. But none of those mention it either. Maybe retarget to Moon magic or Lunar deity as a last-ditch genericization, but that's well, grabbing desperately to see if anything sticks so I would just delete. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Lunar deity. There are some works that claim Priestess of the Moon as the protagonist. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete seems apropos per nom. Izno Public (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Enheduanna who was (high) priestess of the moon (god). The only uses of the phrase on en.wp are in relation to her. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The search results are almost all about the game character [9], in fact, I'm struggling to find anything not related to the game [10]. Leaning delete. If the capitalisation were different, I'd be more inclined to retarget, but it isn't, so I'm not. Cremastra (talk) 22:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Enheduanna was the "priestess of the moon god Nanna", not the "priestess of the Moon". Not mentioned at Lunar deity. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Un assiolo. I think we should just let the search function do its thing for this particular search phrase --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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OoX

OoX → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Misleading redirect if the intent is to refer to a game in the The Legend of Zelda series with "X" referring to a letter wild card (for this target, the respective acronyms would be "OoA" and "OoS"): This redirect could also refer to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which is "OoT". Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

results gave me... birbs and madness combat. delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, possibly with a hatnote. My results are a roughly equal mix of Zelda (with the term used to refer to the two titles collectively), World of Warcraft ("OOX refers to a series of mechanical chickens created by Oglethorpe Obnoticus" which might as well be written in Greek for all it means to me) and random non-notable stuff. List of airports in Ukraine#Military bases tells me OOX is the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base but that isn't mentioned in the article. I can't find any mention of the WoW meaning on Wikipedia (but someone who understands the game should check that) but the collective term for the Zelda games should be. A hatnote to the air base (and WoW if mentioned) would seem to be useful but I'm not going to lose any sleep if others disagree with that. Thryduulf (talk) 18:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So ... an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target should ... remain with a hatnote placed at the current target? Seems nonsensical. What would make more sense would be to create a disambiguation page and deregulate the current target to a "See also" section. (I'm still in the "delete" camp, but "disambiguate" makes more sense than "keep and hatnote" here since the "keep" part just doesn't make sense.) And I'm just itching to cite WP:PANDORA and claim this opens the door for other wildcard redirects ... maybe XBC (I know there's already an article there) for ABC, NBC, etc? Steel1943 (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Extremely ambiguous with no primary topic. Let the readers type up a more specific search term or let the search function do its job. Ca ^{talk to me!} 04:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Steel1943: an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target the redirect refers collectively to both of the games the target article is about. That's very much not "no connection to either subject". When something is ambiguous between one notable and multiple non-notable things, or where only one of the things is mentioned on Wikipedia, then redirecting to the only place we have relevant content is normal and more helpful to readers than deletion. Here the term refers to exactly three notable things, one of which is very clearly not the primary topic (the airbase) and two things which could be primary (Zelda and WoW). However we only have content about one of the latter two (Zelda) so we should redirect there. I don't object to a dab page, but Zelda would be a full entry not a see also. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
even if wikipedia had those wild cards for disambiguating (like xrt and eox being dabs for the first ~~two~~ five pokémon mystery dungeon games), this redirect could refer to 3 games in a single franchise, with a disambiguator that isn't even popularly used to refer to any of them in the first place. this redirect would require leaps of logic and frivolous details bordering on gamefaqs-style fancruft to keep or dabify... for the most part, anyway. i won't argue for or against the air base cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except it is commonly used to refer to the games collectively. I have no knowledge about whether the Pokemon games are referred to collectively at all/in that manner, but if they are then they should be included on the relevant dab pages. Windows 3.x is not used to refer to any operating system specifically but it is used to refer to them collectively so we have a disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
a more thorough look into the results gave me... just as little association with tloz as before. one result among a myriad of mechanical birds and... instagram usernames probably proves that usage of this wild card is too niche for wikipedia at best cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator vote update: super weak retarget to Melitopol Air Base. I verified "OOX" was the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base, and added the code to the article, as well as created the respective redirect OOX pointing towards Melitopol Air Base. However, I still prefer deletion since IATA codes are in all caps always. (Other than that, I believe I have already made my other relevant points in this discussion and am refraining from further participating in order to avoid performing a WP:BLUDGEON.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind on all that: Seems the connection between "OOX" and Melitopol Air Base is potential WP:OR per an edit that reverted something I did. Forget that then. (Still "delete" on this redirect.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Adam Angligena

Adam Angligena → Dictionary of National Biography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A person who was redirected to a subpage about doubtful biographies in the DNB, which itself was just merged into the Dictionary itself. It's safe to say that this redirect has been useless since around 2014. OhHaiMark (talk) 14:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I have comments. Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography was not merged into Dictionary of National Biography. After surviving an AfD in 2018 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography, where deletion had no support, an end run round process took place in 2019 with a merge notice added in July, and then the page simply redirected, five days later, by the same editor. Not very different from an out-of-process deletion, that.

If an "Apocryphal biographies" section had been added to the DNB article, Adam Angligena could be an anchored redirect to that section. The argument has been put that the existence in the DNB of not obviously fictitious but made up people is of encyclopedic interest. I support that argument.

The way this issue has been handled does make it unclear what to do about Adam Angligena, but that's a by-product of high-handed actions five years ago. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Undermine (Warcraft)

Undermine (Warcraft) → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nerubian

Nerubian → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Mummy (undead) and at World of Warcraft: The War Within but neither of those have enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional arthropods if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ringie

Ringie → Rat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Slang term not described at target but listed at Longtail (rat) (which is somehow not linked from the Rat article). There appears to be an unrelated meaning at Two-up, though. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 19:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ǝ́

Ǝ́ → Ə (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Ə is a different letter from Ǝ, but neither article mentions this diacriticised character. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Karorius

Karorius → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aušautas

Aušautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ausautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged Aušautas as an {{R from merge}}. Probably retarget Ausautas to Ausātas. Jay 💬 19:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aušlavis

Aušlavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Auslavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to be mentioned in any article on the English Wikipedia, though this is linked from the {{Baltic religion}} navigational template. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diedievaite

Diedievaite → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. Correctly diacriticised Diedievaitė does not exist. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders

Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Feminist perspectives on eating disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A Feminist Perspective → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Otherwise, only appears to occur in references on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 19:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget A Feminist Perspective to Jo Freeman - one of her books is entitled Women: A Feminist Perspective, which is the only exact match (including capitalization) for the term we have. Neutral on the other two. Tevildo (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a disambiguation page filled with WP:SUBTITLEs. (I've always wondered if WP:SUBTITLE is a stronger stance than WP:PTM ... guess we will find out.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate A Feminist Perspective per the above - or, if we can't disambiguate on subtitles, retargetting it to Feminism or Feminist theory might be an alternative. But we shouldn't preserve the status quo in this case. Tevildo (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Disambiguating based on subtitles is silly. No one is searching for a book based on the subtitle. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station

Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station → Runswick Lifeboat Station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The lifeboat at Runswick was always Runswick Lifeboat. It was never Runswick Bay Lifeboat. All information previously contained in Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station has been relocated. I would like the page Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station to be deleted, as it is of no further use, and I believe all links have now been directed to Runswick Lifeboat Station. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ojsyork (talk • contribs) 19:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Argument for deletion is sound in my view. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a {{R from move}} the article was at this title from 2019 until about 3 weeks ago. There are also multiple sources describing the lifeboat as being at Runswick Bay, including RNLI (the article uses both "Runswick" and "Runswick Bay"), Tees Valley Museums, Art UK and The Nothern Echo. Thryduulf (talk) 01:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I understand that the article was created in error at "Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station", and now has been correctly moved to "Runswick Lifeboat Station". But, looking at the redirect afresh, its target is a page about a Lifeboat station in the village of Runswick Bay, and as such I think the redirect is acceptable. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/Delete I took some time researching the name of the lifeboat station before renaming the page. All images show 'Runswick Lifeboat' written on the boat, never 'Runswick Bay Lifeboat'. I also referred to old maps, and the village too was always Runswick. Even when the Runswick lifeboat station was closed in 1978, and Staithes reopened, the new station took the name 'Staithes and Runswick' Lifeboat, NOT Staithes and Runswick Bay Lifeboat. The only OLD reference in the area to 'Runswick Bay', was to the Runswick Bay Hotel.
BUT - it is the case that the village seems to be morphing from Runswick to Runswick Bay. Indeed, the remaining non-RNLI content of the 'Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station' page from which I have split content, has gone to 'Runswick Bay Rescue Boat'. If the place is called Runswick Bay from now on, then it's not my place to argue. The village page on Wikipedia is 'Runswick Bay', but contains a comment that some of the older village signs still say Runswick.
It is interesting that some of the reasons for KEEP, above, may be as a direct result of an incorrect Wikipedia page. My reason for deletion of 'Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station' page was to try to eliminate more of these errors continuing. Ojsyork (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hispanized Southeast Asia

Hispanized Southeast Asia → Philippines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

To me this seems like an implausible search term for the Philippines. ★Trekker (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have never heard that term in my life and it's overly complicated. I did Southeast Asian studies in university; that source is on regional history 1350-1830. Fetch isn't gonna happen, surely. Jondvdsn1 (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either retarget to Spanish East Indies, or delete. CMD (talk) 09:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1

Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1 → Warcraft: The Sunwell Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Warcraft#Manga per commentary at #Warcraft: Legends. Izno Public (talk) 02:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...The redirect is not mentioned at Warcraft#Manga though. Looking through the page a bit, I don't see how anyone looking up this term could refer to any specific subject on that page. Steel1943 (talk) 20:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Whoopsie daisy

Whoopsie daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Oopsie-daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target (except in the hatnote). No other words redirect to this target and there is no list of words here (except for a few examples in the Vocabulary section). Per this article, both words are variants of Upsy daisy, which is a redirect to In the Night Garden.... Johnj1995 (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This piece of writing on the topic is quite interesting. No great target for these at wikt:, nonetheless. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 07:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I actually think the current target is appropriate. If someone wants to know what "whoopsie daisy" means, being directed to the Baby talk article is all the explanation that really needs. (Kinda wish the article had the more formal "Child directed speech" title, but that's neither here nor there...) Fieari (talk) 23:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft redirect to Wiktionary plausible search term but not related to article. Wiktionary seems appropriate -1ctinus📝🗨 01:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, although babies may not understand. In a perfect Wikipedia this may be redirected to Notting Hill, where Hugh Grant said it either as a scripted or unscripted word as a minor although interesting plot point. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget "Oopsie-daisy" to Oopsy Daisy as a plausible misspelling. Delete "Whoopsie daisy" for having no good target. A randomish example of baby talk shouldn't redirect there, any more than it should redirect to some variant of 'mistake'. And strongly oppose redirecting to Wikitionary, which inhibits searching within Wikipedia, and such a search result includes a link to the Wikt entry right at the top already anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fever with rash

Fever with rash → Fever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Fever with Rash → Fever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of rashes at target; might be retargeted to Rash instead. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Subfebrile

Subfebrile → Fever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unfortunately no mention at target; it looks like a soft redirect to wikt:subfebrile is the only option right now. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phever

Phever → Fever (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely misspelling; meanwhile there is PhEVER and a producer by the name of Phil Phever mentioned in a few articles. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to PhEVER and mark as r from miscap --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025 NCAA Division I FCS football season

2025 NCAA Division I FCS football season → NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target and provides no information relevant to the title. Redirect is misleading as a result and is better left as a redlink for the time being. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super Emeralds

Super Emeralds → Sonic the Hedgehog#Chaos Emeralds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Super Emerald → Sonic the Hedgehog#Chaos Emeralds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The target article contains information about "Chaos emeralds" and "Master emerald" ... but nothing about a "Super emerald". Readers trying to find information about this topic will find nothing at the target. Steel1943 (talk) 00:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - "Super Emeralds", in short, are the same thing as Chaos Emeralds, just "bigger and more powerful". This can be easily amended where Chaos Emeralds are covered. Sergecross73 msg me 16:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DcVD

DcVD → Dreamcast#Technical specifications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"DcVD" or "Dreamcast Video Disc" not mentioned at the target article. Mika1h (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simpsons

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Cranberry Station

Cranberry Station → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem like we have any content on the GTA meaning of this, but there are Terra_Alta,_West_Virginia#History and Ilwaco_Railway_and_Navigation_Company#Cranberry_Station on other uses. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cow neck

Cow neck → Cow Neck Peninsula (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems like a plausible target for a neck cut of beef also. (Though unfortunately web search results seem to be obscured by misspellings of cowl neck.) 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 02:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The neck cut of beef in itself is not a WP:NOTABLE target. The Cow Neck Peninsula is notable, and moreover is known colloquially simply as "Cow Neck". Best, Castncoot (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oc county

Oc county → Ocean County, New Jersey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Search results for this are mostly about Orange County, California. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"OC" refers to Orange County, California; "Oc county" is used to describe Ocean County, New Jersey (the only Ocean County in the U.S.) Best, Castncoot (talk) 01:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Orange County, California and add a hatnote. Per the nom, the search results are overwhelmingly for the county in California (despite the tautology). Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Orange County, California Clear primary topic. I get some hits for other Orange Counties but not any for Ocean County, so I'm not sure about the need for a hatnote. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

God of the Old Testament

God of the Old Testament → Yahweh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Recently created alongside God of the New Testament (also under discussion at RfD). I don't think that Yahweh is the best target, as it's hard to know if readers will be looking for the ancient interpretation as discussed in the current target or more contemporary ones. I suggest retargeting to God of Israel (a disambiguation page), which is a synonymous phrase IMO. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Andre🚐 01:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Another target could be "Gods of Israel" (Elohim); however, my opinion is that the singular God of the Hebrew Bible worshipped therein is Yahweh.Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there's multiple potential targets, why not just target a disambiguation page? Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose since the definition of Yahweh (as used inside that article) is Ancient polytheistic god. tgeorgescu (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How's that an argument to have God of the Old Testament redirect there? Shouldn't God of the Old Testament really point to something later than God in Judaism? Since the Old Testament itself as we know it was probably an artifact from the monotheistic period. Andre🚐 23:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Santa Maria Beach

Santa Maria Beach → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia in the context of GTA. There is, however, an article on a beach called Praia de Santa Maria, as well as content on some beaches located in places named Santa Maria, such as Santa_Maria,_Ilocos_Sur#Santa_Maria_Beach, Santa María del Mar District (Peru), Capo_Vaticano#Geography, Beach_cleaning#Cleanest_beaches, as well as some image captions. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Back O' Beyond

Back O' Beyond → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

We don't seem to have content on this fictional location, and all search result on Wikipedia are passing mentions (of unrelated topics). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think we need a Back of beyond disambiguation page, linking to wikt:Back of beyond, Back of Beyond, The Back of Beyond, several mentions (a Caribbean film, a play), and similar terms like Boondocks, Black stump, Woop Woop. This would redirect there if there is enough to merit a dab entry. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters

List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is no list at the target. The former page could be moved to characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (or Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters, if that is deleted beforehand) to preserve page history. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: These two existing redirects were the result of WP:Articles for deletion/List of Grand Theft Auto III characters, as closed by non-administrator Buidhe, even though there was no actual consensus for that result, and the AFD should have been relisted and then only closed only by an administrator. In my opinion, given the popularity of GTA (I'm not a gamer but its one of the games I have heard about for decades), the article itself should probably be reinstated or there should be a DRV to that effect. Softlavender (talk) 06:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Non-admin closures are allowed, see WP:NAC. I'm sure at the time the closer made the correct decision, because even though I can't see the article I do know that usually video game character lists are poorly sourced, probably because not many independent secondary sources report on specifically characters from a game instead of the game itself. Buidhe was probably more convinced by the rationales to redirect then delete. With that said, should you want to overturn the close, try discussing with them first. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 11:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what makes you think that you can't see the article. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Me neither, in fact. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 17:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mwwv: State of the article prior to redirection. Steel1943 (talk) 22:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FTR, if the article ends up reinstated, a bunch of the other GTA nominations (on this and the previous day's log) would probably need to be reconsidered with the option of retargeting to it in mind. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jizzy B.

Jizzy B. → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target; not sure if the content we have at Charlie_Murphy_(actor)#Career is enough for a redirect. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not mentioned at target, no opinion on redirecting. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ran Fa Li

Ran Fa Li → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Market Station

Market Station → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and way too vague to be appropriate. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, vague and no sources that I can find to add a mention of it. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 11:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I am very surprised that nowhere has a station called just "Market" or "Market Station" but everything I can find is just partial title matches. Thryduulf (talk) 12:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Hernandez

Jimmy Hernandez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, though does occur at Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums#In_popular_culture and Carl_Johnson_(Grand_Theft_Auto)#Return_to_Los_Santos. There is an unrelated person at African_diaspora_in_Finland#Sportspeople and another one at Omar_Rodríguez-López#Startled_Calf_(1991–1992), however, so I'm not sure this redirect is appropriate without further disambiguation. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Four Dragons Casino

Four Dragons Casino → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zero (Grand Theft Auto)

Zero (Grand Theft Auto) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and a bit difficult to immediately see whether we have any content on this one. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red County, San Andreas

Red County, San Andreas → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 11

Flint County, San Andreas

Flint County, San Andreas → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia apart from disambiguation pages. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Las Venturas Airport

Las Venturas Airport → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Target mentions airports (once) and Las Venturas, but not this specific redirect the reader would be looking for. No content anywhere else either, so I don't think this redirect is that helpful. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

B-Dup

B-Dup → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Only content on this character on the English Wikipedia seems to be The_Game_(rapper)#Other_ventures, which provides no in-universe information. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Non-notable character not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 04:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The fate of this and other related character redirects may be influenced by the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lance Wilson

Lance Wilson → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lance "Ryder" Wilson → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Three unrelated people are mentioned at Withcott#History, I_Go_Back#Content, and 1990_Texas_Longhorns_football_team#Personnel (as well as some mentions of a Lance Wilson-White). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - His name appears in the game's credits, which is enough proof that such a character is notable in its own way. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfD is not a place to discuss notability but to determine whether redirects are helpful, which is not the case when their target provides no information on their topic. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Non-notable character not mentioned at target, which makes the redirect misleading. It doesn't matter that they appear in the credits if we imply there will be info at a location where there is not. Hey man im josh (talk) 04:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to I Go Back, which prominently mentions a different person by this name several times and gives a reason why people might be searching for information about them ("One version of the official music video ends with the note: "In memory of Lance Wilson and all the summers I shared with him"."). There is also an American footballer with this name who gets a couple of entries in lists but nothing in depth. Thryduulf (talk) 10:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably your comment should only apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I don't know if the second was added after my comment or I just didn't spot it, but my comment relates only to "Lance Wilson". Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

B1 FC

B1 FC → SLFA First Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Football (soccer) club, from Saint Lucia, redirected to Saint Lucia's footbal league. Delete to encourage creation. In the mean time I expect the search engine will find the current target or other related pages anyway. Nabla (talk) 23:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Sindacco

Johnny Sindacco → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Only mention on the English Wikipedia appears to be Casey_Siemaszko#Video_games, which does not provide any in-universe information. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Didier Sachs

Didier Sachs → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris

Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Melvin Harris (character) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Melvin Harris (Grand Theft Auto) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

None of the content mentioning "Melvin Harris" on the English Wikipedia seems to be about this character. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep His name is mentioned in the game's credits. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 01:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How does that help a reader find any content on it (or find out that we don't have what they are looking for), though? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it enough that the game mentions his name without having to read it? There's also the game's booklet. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Without having to read what? If you think this merits a mention in the article, then go ahead, but in the current state a reader will be directed to an article where they won't find what they are looking for, which is information on the topic of their search term. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caligula's Casino

Caligula's Casino → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pirates pants casino

Pirates pants casino → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

T Bone Mendez

T Bone Mendez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
T-Bone Mendez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target; appears at the T-Bone disambiguation page and is linked from Frost_(rapper)#Career, where the only information is that Frost was the voice actor for this character, but no in-universe content. Not sure if this warrants a retarget. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sherman Dam

Sherman Dam → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Listed at Hoover Dam in popular culture, though I'm pretty sure Sherman Dam (Nebraska) should be primary to this fictional location. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move Sherman Dam (Nebraska) over the redirect and add hatnotes to Sherman's Dam and Hoover Dam in popular culture. Google tells me it is also the name of "the largest dam in the western hemisphere" in the Transformers universe but this is not mentioned anywhere on en.wp. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support move per Thryduulf --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Las Payasadas

Las Payasadas → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No content on this anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mt. Chiliad

Mt. Chiliad → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mount Chillad → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target; one passing mention of "Mount Chiliad" (of which the latter redirect appears to be a misspelling) at Grand Theft Auto Online#Plot. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angel Pine

Angel Pine → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Palomino Creek

Palomino Creek → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Palomino Creek, San Andreas → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:03, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Easter Basin

Easter Basin → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No content on this on the English Wikipedia, only a passing mention at Climont. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as vague --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juniper Hollow

Juniper Hollow → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hashburry

Hashburry → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Incomplete title of an EP by Zachg and a potential misspelling of Hashbury, but no content for the GTA meaning on the English Wikipedia apparently. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blueberry (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas)

Blueberry (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 22:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

El Marino (online newspaper)

El Marino (online newspaper) → Pichilemu#Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at the target. The author (now both banned and vanished) seems to have had an issue with self-promotion around topics he was connected to around this town. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 22:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pichilemu News

Pichilemu News → Pichilemu#Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at the target. The author (now both banned and vanished) seems to have had an issue with self-promotion around topics he was connected to around this town. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 22:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tierra Robada

Tierra Robada → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Tierra Robada County → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whetstone County, San Andreas

Whetstone County, San Andreas → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Whetstone (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Whetstone County → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brown Streak Railroad

Brown Streak Railroad → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Area 69

Area 69 → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at target. Search results on the English Wikipedia appear to be unrelated and mostly incidental, though there is a band mentioned at Music_of_Paraguay#Rock (not sure whether it has due weight or not). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Area 69 is meant to be a parody or satire of Area 51. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 01:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from Rachel,_Nevada#In_popular_culture, we really have no content to provide a reader with about this parody. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Otherwise, if the band is notable, an article can be created at this title; otherwise, there are multiple mentions on Wikipedia about the band, but no one great target to redirect readers. Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TransFender

TransFender → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interblag

Interblag → Xkcd (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Also not mentioned on the English Wikipedia as the ones below, but Wiktionary has wikt:interblag. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Auto Troll Shuffle

Auto Troll Shuffle → Xkcd (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Auto-Troll Shuffle → Xkcd (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Database linkage accumulation slowdown → Xkcd (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Transconsciousness Messaging Protocol → Xkcd (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia; we don't need to list every xkcd comic released. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Little Bobby Tables Also

Little Bobby Tables Also → Xkcd (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm unable to find any usage of this exact phrase through Google or Wikipedia, but there are some incidental places where "also" occurs soon after "little bobby tables". Only one (somewhat odd, maybe accidental) internal link from an old RFD and minimal page views that probably are people like me wondering "huh, how is this different from Little Bobby Tables" when seeing it in search results, so delete to prevent that occurrence. Skynxnex (talk) 21:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as implausible, not sure what the "also" is meant to refer to. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as implausible, the "also" seems completely out of place here. Fieari (talk) 23:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muholland Intersection

Muholland Intersection → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hku

Hku → University of Hong Kong (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely capitalization of abbrevation Rusalkii (talk) 21:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: harmless and WP:CHEAP. People are lazy with acronyms sometimes; see the pageviews. Google searches show it to be unambiguous. Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 23:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cremastra. While technically not ambiguous (HKU (disambiguation) exists) the current target is the primary topic for both capitalisations. Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as plausible miscap. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Professional wrestling school

Professional wrestling school → Glossary of professional wrestling terms#school (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wrestling school → Glossary of professional wrestling terms#school
Wrestling School → Glossary of professional wrestling terms#school

All three currently target glossary of professional wrestling terms, specifically for a section on the word "school" which no longer exists. Presumably this was removed because the concept of a wrestling school is entirely self-explanatory and doesn't need to be included, and that makes sense to me. But that means these redirects are without mention, and there's really no value in that. There are other uses of the words "wrestling school" about, but the term is too vague for any of those to be the primary target, and there probably aren't enough to justify converting to a dab. As far as I can see, the only option is to delete them. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blastin Fools Records

Blastin Fools Records → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not seem to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not mentioned anywhere on site as nominator mentioned, and unlikely to be mentioned anytime soon. If readers want to know anything about this fictional element, there are better places for that information to be found anyway. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Widespread permafrost zone

Widespread permafrost zone → Permafrost (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Widespread Permafrost Zone → Permafrost (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This so-called WPZ does not seem to be currently mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 19:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Black puma

Black puma → Black panther#Cougar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, though unrelated uses of "Black Puma" (which is currently a red link) occur in Recurring Saturday Night Live characters and sketches introduced 2016–17, List of Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters characters , and List of black superheroes (unreferenced entry). In the worst case, I guess a disambiguation could provide a short explanation the relation to the current target. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Black cougar

Black cougar → Black panther#Cougar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Neither the target article nor cougar currently mentions this. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1234qwer1234qwer4, link to the origin AFC request: wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories/2022-05#Redirect request: Black cougar, Black puma, Black mountain lion. I have no comment on whether it should be deleted or not. — Qwerfjkl talk 19:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom ... and because the target is probably not what some readers are looking for when searching this phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Panther habitat

Panther habitat → Black panther (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This could refer to any of the animals referred to by Panther. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as vague --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keimu

Keimu → Black panther (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirected at AfD, but the target does not mention this and the search results for this on the English Wikipedia appear to be unrelated. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the AfD in question Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keimu from January 2020 is worth reading for context. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reports of black cougars in the United States

Reports of black cougars in the United States → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Reports of black cougars in the United States of America → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Reports of black cougars in the US → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Reports of black cougars in the USA → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Reports of black panthers in Australia → Black panther#Reports of black panthers in Australia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Only mention of something resembling this on the English Wikipedia that I could find is Piney_Woods#Folklore, but I'm not sure if this is the only thing a reader could be looking for (and that only applies to the USA redirects). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 17:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great Fray

Great Fray → Super Smash Bros. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Great fray smash brothers → Super Smash Bros. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Shortened form of a literal translation of original Japanese name; very unlikely search term. ArcticSeeress (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bundling these two for convenience. Fieari (talk) 23:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I can't help but see this as implausible. Basically no one uses this literal translation of the Japanese name, 5 hits in a year notwithstanding. WP:RFOR would allow for the exact Japanese name (in kana, kanji, and various romanization systems) but this literal translation of the name seems a step too far removed. It reminds me of that silly game where you use machine translation back and forth between languages a bunch of times to get something nonsensical. Fieari (talk) 23:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The literal translation of the original Japanese name does not seem implausible. As Fierari notes, it does receive hits. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adjule

Adjule → African wild dog#North Africa (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"unconfirmed African canine" according to Wikidata (cryptozoology stuff...), not mentioned in target article _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now as plausible WP:REDLINK. There might be enough material out there to build a mention in List of cryptids. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death Prophet

Death Prophet → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore without prejudice to AfD or merger. Surprisingly to me this is not ambiguous, but one editor's opinion that the topic is not notable is not justification for deletion of article content - especially not when there are so many sources available that potentially indicate notability. Thryduulf (talk) 19:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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V̂

V̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
T̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
D̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No description of the character or its usage at the target; delete to encourage article creation. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Terrorblade

Terrorblade → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Dota: Dragon's Blood as he is the primary antagonist there. --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Soul metal

Soul metal → Motown (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Term doesn't have anything to do with the article it links to FMSky (talk) 09:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I removed the relevant anchor here, so the redirect makes no sense now. Mach61 19:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of bards

List of bards → List of oral repositories (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems like an inaccurate redirect? Not all bards are oral repositories as defined by that article, nor does it seem likely to me that all oral repositories can be described as "bards". asilvering (talk) 09:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering I can see where you’re coming from, however this is part of a wider issue with the title. There’s no general term in common use to describe the roles of bards, griots, imusnawen etc. I had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find sources describing them generally as oral repositories. In some cases bard or troubadour is used as a definition for these terms, see here [11] [12] [13] [14]. The page could be moved to List of bards however I think that’d be inappropriate since you’d expect that list to contain a list of individuals who were historically bard, and the bard article does not take into account the broad usage of the term. I think a redirect makes the most sense, since people are very unlikely to Google list of oral repositories, but they might Google list of bards when looking for this, and also like you said there are roles here that are too specific to be termed bard. Kowal2701 (talk) 10:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the point of lots of those listed aren’t necessarily bards, if you were going to make a List of musicians, and found there was insufficient material or the divisions were hard to draw because some musicians play multiple instruments, you’d have List of cellists and List of pianists as redirects. For this reason I think List of oral poets should also be a redirect, and possibly List of oral historians Kowal2701 (talk) 13:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because we just do not seem to have such a comprehensive list. WP:REDYES may apply. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Preflight Planning Dispatch Checklist

Preflight Planning Dispatch Checklist → Preflight checklist (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and no reliable sources that use the term. What I could find all looks like it came from here, almost all apparently because SEO bots picked up on the term as a keyword. Harmful because it promotes a term that is a best an extremely obscure related subject, at worst someone's invention. And there is no evidence for the former. Paradoctor (talk) 07:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Failed Austrian Painter

Failed Austrian Painter → Adolf Hitler (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I mean... yes. But also... really? asilvering (talk) 05:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Who says he failed? His paintings sold, and he worked for a German army newspaper for awhile. Nothing else to redirect to, so off with it. Paradoctor (talk) 08:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)10:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as {{r from nickname}}. If it was good enough for Bush minor,^[1] it's good enough for us. Paradoctor (talk) 10:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Just because it's possible to recognize someone from a vague description in context doesn't mean that phrase is synonymous with the person, or that people are likely to search for that phrase on Wikipedia. Not every possible phrase describing Hitler needs to be a redirect to him. P Aculeius (talk) 11:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not a commonly used nickname for him (in the quote referenced it was used as a descriptor rather than a nickname). There are doubtless many other Austrians who have failed art school (ditto for any other nationality). Also the user who created the redirect has an ... interesting ... history, including a block/unblock from yours truly per their talk page. Graham87 (talk) 11:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that my redirect comes off as trivial and weird as he also known for worser things. Given my history, I'm not trying to go back to that phase. I'm simply testing the waters of which edits makes sense or not. I understand that this redirect contradicts what I said before. However, if this redirect gets deleted, I won't mind. Rager7 (talk) 14:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've rblocked the redirect's creator; the above comment was the final straw. See their talk page. Graham87 (talk) 15:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is utterly ridiculous, as nobody in the scholarly community would think to characterize Hitler under these auspices. He is famous for being Germany's dictator...period. Had he waited tables for money in his youth, would we categorize him as a "failed waiter"? This is just silly. --Obenritter (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Olbermann, Keith (2006-09-25). "'Have you no sense of decency, sir?'". In the 1920's a failed Austrian painter published a book in which he explained his intention to build an Aryan super-state in Germany and take revenge on Europe and eradicate the Jews," President Bush said today, "the world ignored Hitler's words, and paid a terrible price.

Delete as an unencyclopedic attempt at a joke. cyberdog958^Talk 00:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

God of the New Testament

God of the New Testament → Jesus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

When the God of the Old Testament (also a recently created redirect) is contrasted with the God of the New Testament, this is not generally the sentiment being expressed. Certainly not attempting to start a trinitarian debate though -- ha. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The New Testament God is Greek and doesn't equate with the Hebrew Yahweh. Trinity is at odds with the Old Testament. Jesus is a better re-direct that the "Trinity."--Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Change target to Names and titles of God in the New Testament. Definitely not "keep", as either the Trinity or God the Father are more obvious synonyms than Jesus. Fram (talk) 08:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget, either as suggested by Fram (though that article is solely about naming) or to God in Christianity. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget as suggested by Fram. At best the phrase is ambiguous, and "Jesus" is not usually described as "God" in the New Testament, but treated as a separate entity. P Aculeius (talk) 11:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I actually don't think we have a good target here. The nominator is correct that Jesus is not really an appropriate target. I don't think the target suggested by Fram is that helpful, as searchers would probably not be looking for information on the name of God IMO. My preference would be for a red link, because having an article about the concept of God in the New Testament specifically seems like a plausible article topic. (Rosbif73's suggestion of God in Christianity is a better target than the other two articles but still not my first preference). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is also New Testament theology. Surprisingly, we don't seem to have a lot of content on the topic of this redirect anywhere. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I considered that as a target as well, but that article is more about academic studies than discussing the theology per se. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Let's take a step back a moment and consider the context of these two phrases. In modern English discourse, when someone says "God of the Old Testament" they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to the concept of an angry vengeful god that actively destroys the wicked, or just anyone insufficiently respectful. When someone says "God of the New Testament", they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to a "peace and love", "hippie" style pacifist, non-interventionalist, forgiving god. Again, I'm not talking theology right now (if I was, I would vehemently disagree with both of the previous statements) I'm simply talking about what these phrases mean in the English language. Given that this is what the phrases mean, I think both links should go to an article that discusses these specific aspects or perceptions of god... I'm sure we have some, or should have some, given how extensively these topics have been discussed and written on by all manner of scholars. There may be more than one good target, in which case a disambiguation page might be appropriate. I think I would object to simply targeting Jesus or God in Christianity, as these don't really cover the plain meanings of how the phrases are used in English. I don't think we should delete, because this is a VERY plausible search term, and we DO have information on it... the problem is just pointing the user to the correct spots they are looking for. I don't have specific suggestions for where to go though, as... quite frankly, there's a lot. But the status quo doesn't seem right. Fieari (talk) 04:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peyton Parrish

Peyton Parrish → Adam Gontier#Other appearances (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

RD#10 - basically no information at target, could plausibly be an article asilvering (talk) 05:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Harkness (California)

Mount Harkness (California) → Dittmar Volcano (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These don't appear to be related; they're just nearby each other. asilvering (talk) 05:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Gothic Mountains#Mount Harkness, where this mountain is discussed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Goat Peak (Oregon)

Goat Peak (Oregon) → Mount Jefferson (Oregon) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm not sure this redirect will make sense to anyone who was hoping to find an article on "Goat Peak". The only mention of it is buried in a dense paragraph: The Mount Jefferson vicinity contains at least 40 of the 190 documented lava domes in the Oregon Cascades, including the 7,159-foot (2,182 m) tall Goat's Peak dome. asilvering (talk) 05:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Web searches indicate Goat Peak is a different mountain. This redirect will cause confusion. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

27712 Pacific Coast Highway

27712 Pacific Coast Highway → Tadao Ando#Buildings and works (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Term is not found in the target article. TarnishedPath^talk 02:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quite rightly; there is a privacy issue caused by some versions and past titles of the article that previously existed (see AfD). I have no strong feelings about whether this redirect should continue to exist, but incline to keep as a potential search term from real estate / architecture coverage. I am opposed to having the address appear in the target article. If that means the redirect gets deleted, it's a pity for readers but not a huge one. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:35, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F-duction

F-duction → Plasmid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Appears in the Index of genetics articles (despite being a redirect, though the page also contains a bunch of redlinks), and is mentioned in the article about Edward A. Adelberg, who apparently discovered this. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 02:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 10

Third Red Scare

Third Red Scare → Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

2016 Russia was not Communist/Socialist/Marxist, nor notably perceived as such, therefore the redirected to article (Russian interference in the 2016 United States election)has loose association to the term 'red scare' Mason7512 (talk) 23:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Google shows that this term does not seem to be used for this. A number of places divide the more common "two" red scares into more scares, so the third red scare was back in the 40s or 50s or whatever. Some others talk about Bernie Sanders being the 3rd red scare, which I find ridiculous but whatever, and some others are talking about the 3rd red scare in relation to Korea. Russian Electoral Interference is a thing, especially with the more recent CONFIRMED interference recently, but as far as I can tell no one is referring to it as a Red Scare. Note that I don't particularly care if 2016 Russia was actually communist/socialist/marxist or whatever, just what people say... Capitalist Russia is still "red" in a lot of people's minds, and if they were to use the term I'd say keep. But it doesn't appear that this is used. Fieari (talk) 03:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Google Trends shows that something happened around January 31, 2024 which made this term appear briefly in searches, but not before or since. Probably one press writer or blog used it, and a properly time-delimited web search could probably find the specific article, but it isn't worth it, as the data shows it was likely just a nonce term. To put the searches even at that time into perspective, here's a comparison of searches for second red scare and first red scare for the last five years. (The late April periodicity for the former term is interesting—run-up to May Day?—but irrelevant for this discussion.) Delete as unused search term. Mathglot (talk) 21:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chrysolith

Chrysolith → Peridot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target in this specific spelling; is this as ambiguous as Chrysolite? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Googling for "Chrysolith" brings up the Olivine article, which states Translucent olivine is sometimes used as a gemstone called peridot (péridot, the French word for olivine). It is also called chrysolite (or chrysolithe, from the Greek words for gold and stone), though this name is now rarely used in the English language.. Mindat.org gives it as German synonym of: Chrysolite", it's entry for the latter is Predominantly used as a synonym for gem-quality olivine (see also peridot) but has also been used for prehnite and other green gem materials. Our Chrysolite article is a disambig linking to Olivine and other "green or yellow-green-coloured gemstones". My first thought was the completely unrelated chrysalis, searching for "Chrysolith" butterfly does bring up a few people making the same mistake, but not as many or as prominently as I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on Thryduulf's research I would lean "keep", since it seems largely helpful (spelling chrysolite/chrysolithe/chrysolithos). Cremastra (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4, may I ask why you created this section? Did you notice a instance of this, or someone searching for this somewhere, or is this merely a hypothesis that someone might? Checking Google Trends, I see no Google searches for this term for the last five years. We shouldn't create redirects for typos we hypothesize as plausible searches (WP:RSWIKIOPINION?) if nobody actually ever searches for them. Mathglot (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot I don't understand your comment - 1234qwer1234qwer4 didn't create the redirect, that was El Cazangero in 2015 (they were blocked for copyvios a year later, not relevant to the creation of a redriect) who targetted it to Olivine. It was retargetted in 2020 to it's present target by Opera hat. All 1234... has done is nominate it for discussion. As for utility, the redirect got 80 hits between 1 January and 9 September this year and 64 last year, which is significantly more than nobody (it's also worth noting that your Google Trends search is limited to the United States). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stage 1 Pokémon

Stage 1 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Stage 1 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Stage 2 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Stage 2 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

refers to evolutionary stages. as an example, popplio is stage 1, brionne is stage 2, and primarina is... why is there no stage 3 redirect? the terminology is sort of mentioned in the target (under breeding), but not in a way that would help those redirects cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget to Pokémon Trading Card Game#Card types as the only Pokémon-based subject where I believe this terminology is used. Steel1943 (talk) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my stance to "weak" after locating (and remembering) the discussion I found below. Steel1943 (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"used" it is. relatively commonly, for that matter. it's just in that weird limbo of not being properly mentioned outside of the tcg, and not well-covered enough to warrant being mentioned in depth. a lot of pokémon-related stuff falls in that limbo, it's painful cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3#List of Pokemon by Stage, a discussion I found while researching why these nominated redirects existed, may be relevant ... which, ironically, is a discussion I opened in 2019 that I completely forgot about until now. Steel1943 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thibault Perissat

Thibault Perissat → Peter Park (poker player)#Outright (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not a likely needed redirect Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Looks like the article it's pointing to is about to get deleted for non-notability, and this name within that article is even less notable than that, so... Fieari (talk) 05:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If the main target (within the redirect) gets merged into another article there should be a, more logical, redirect to that instead. PsychoticIncall (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
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Jisan

Jisan → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, but there are Jisan station, Jisan Valley Rock Festival, Numbers_(South_Korean_TV_series)#Jisan_Bank and potentially others. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where she appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm find with moving the edit history as suggested with a retarget and then creating a disambiguation page if necessary. BOZ (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate per the values given -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I think with no modifiers, the D&D use probably does count as the WP:PTOPIC here, but I would support a hatnote to point to a disambiguation page with all the other uses. Fieari (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine Israel

Palestine Israel → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Israel Palestine → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Classic WP:XY. Delete. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I don't know that WP:XY fits here. Someone typing both Israel and Palestine into the search box, in whichever order, is almost certainly looking for information on the conflict. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but this seems like the appropriate target to me. Fieari (talk) 06:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Idk what it even means? Do we have any actual data on how many people use that as a search term? And then, if they do, where they go afterwards? Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Both were created too recently to have truly reliable usage figures, but they got 10 and 17 hits between creation on 22nd August and yesterday, which suggests that they are plausible search terms (but note that almost all redirects get above typical views in the first circa 2-4 days after creation (I guess due to new page patrolers and similar) and significantly more than typical views during and just after being listed at RfD). Everybody who views a redirect goes to the redirect target, I don't think that where they go after that is tracked and all such data that does exist is only released for large volumes of people and (iirc) aggregated by complete calendar month (all for privacy reasons) so wouldn't be useful here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do the same as with #Palestine and Israel. I can't see any reason why people would be expecting different things with or without the "and". Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with that; the inclusion/exclusion of "and" makes all the difference. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For reference, the linked discussion is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Palestine and Israel and was closed as "disambiguate". Thryduulf (talk) 23:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (disclaimer: creator of both); same reasoning as Fieari and backed by data from Thryduulf; plus WP:XY does state that in some cases redirects should point to a location in which both topics are discussed. This is the closest to a perfect target we can get anyways. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both. Highly plausible search terms. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this is an example on WP:XY, search results would be better here as who knows what specific page they would be looking for. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

XY is not a reason to delete when we have content that deals with both X and Y (the combination, interaction or intersection), which we do in this case. When it's not clear which of multiple possible articles someone is looking for we use disambiguation and set indexes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:XY. Israel is not Palestine, and Palestine is not Israel. The lack of any conjunctions separating the two words make these confusing redirects at best, harmful redirecting anywhere at worst. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Does WP:XY apply here? If it does, is it still a reason to delete in this case? (see Thryduulf's comment in response to Traumnovelle). Is the search term ambiguous? More discussion is needed.
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Delete with or without the "and", I would assume that this topic refers to "Israel/Palestine", that is the entire land "between the river and the sea" sometimes called Israel, sometimes called Palestine, and sometimes called partly Israel and partly Palestine. The conflict is not an adequate redirect because it is merely one event that has taken place in this territory quite recently. (t · c) buidhe 01:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That feels like an argument to redirect to Land of Israel or Palestine (region), and thus an argument to disambiguate. I can't see how you get to delete? Thryduulf (talk) 08:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Punk rock opera

Punk rock opera → Rock opera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Punk opera → Rock opera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Brief mention in relation to a particular work, but the genre itself is not described within the article. Any thoughts or better target suggestions? — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 00:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I googled it, and all the results are for punk rock opera, and not punk opera for some reason. See this: https://www.treblezine.com/24712-10-essential-punk-rock-operas/

Perhaps we change the name to punk rock opera? Moline1 (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A move without redirect to punk rock opera would certainly be possible on the technical side; however, that title has existed since 2007 (just looked). However, that (sub)genre does not seem to be covered explicitly at the current target either. At the end of the day, an important question remains: Are we directing readers to a place that sufficiently covers what they are looking for? If either 'punk opera' or 'punk rock opera' are synonymous enough with 'rock opera', that may not be a problem. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 20:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Closer/Relister - Please relist and merge Punk rock opera into this discussion. Thanks, — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 20:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled with the other similar redirect, as requested by the nom.
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Baby oven

Baby oven → Neonatal intensive care unit#Incubator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article and seems to be an implausible search term. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete and salt. what the fuck. what the fuck. what, and i feel the need to emphasize this last part so that it's not swept under the rug, the fuck. do i even need to describe what kind of result i got, and why i don't believe those were incubators? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I created this redirect a while ago. Not out of malace or "fuckery", but because I've heard people (and myself) refer to child incubators as "ovens" in China. Not as like actual baby cookers or whatnot but simply because it resembles one. I know saying "oh I've heard" isn't RS and since noone really uses such term according to viewcheckers I'm fine with it's deletion if need be, but no malace was meant with said creation. Zinderboff(talk) 21:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zinderboff, just as background: may I ask if you refer to them using the word oven while speaking or writing in English, as opposed to Chinese or some other language? Also, do you use the exact, two-word, English phrase baby oven, or perhaps just some part of it, such as, 'keep them warm in the oven for a while' ? Mathglot (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I use the both exact two-word phrase "baby oven" and just "oven" when speaking. For "baby oven" I used it more often before since I've been trying to improve my English these past few years, but many can understand just fine in context. For "oven" it is used quite often in context to mean incubators. Ovens means something along the lines of "tool what warms/heats things up", so I do say somethings along the line of "keep them warm in the oven for a while". For writing though there is luckily often the internet to check so I generally avoid using those terms to not seem illiterate and/or non-native to others. Zinderboff(talk) 21:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've very quickly found two unrelated uses of this term - small ovens and pregnant women. Searching a bit deeper, there are a few hits of people describing incubators as looking like ovens, most of them aren't easy to cite (e.g. tiktok video summaries) but [15] (see comment at 01-26-2012, 11:33 PM) is one I can link to, but I can't defend a redirect to the present target based only on that. Thryduulf (talk) 23:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ooooh. yeah, that's fair. i guess delete but don't salt yet as "a little too obscure" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't be so quick to say "that's fair" based on a forum comment; after all, Thryduulf isn't prepared to, and rightly so. Forum comments are far from RSes; in addition they have many of the same weaknesses as spoken language does. Sounds to me like conflation with the colloquial (and somewhat passé) to have a bun in the oven. Freud wrote a whole book about parapraxes and related phenomena, and we don't really know what's going in the mind of the commenter, nor does it matter; speech and this type of spontaneous, unrevised, unedited writing are subject to all sorts of anomalies, and rightly should not be considered in searching for support for this. (And these days, autocorrect adds an additional, non-human scrambler into the mix, just making it worse.) Mathglot (talk) 20:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a source is reliable is not important for a redirect - all we need to do is verify that a term is used with a given meaning, which even forum posts can do. If we don't have reliable sources we can't add a mention to an article, sometimes that matters for the redirect sometimes it doesn't. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The vast majority of search results seem to refer to "baby kitchen" types of toys, which we don't seem to have any content on, making this a potential WP:RASTONISH if retargeted elsewhere. Somewhat related to cogsan's comments, a baby in oven redirect might be created for The Baby-Roast. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 02:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International Wrestling Hall of Fame

International Wrestling Hall of Fame → National Wrestling Hall of Fame and Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While it is true that the International and U.S. Hall of Fames for amateur wrestling are in the same area, there is nothing more than a passing mention in the U.S. Hall of Fame's article. If possible, restore the original redirect at United World Wrestling. Sekundenlang (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tobacco Tax Act

Tobacco Tax Act → Excise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No "Tobacco Tax Act" is mentioned in the article article. Created by a blocked editor. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - While the exact string "Tobacco Tax Act" does not appear in the article, the article is, in very large part, about Tobacco Taxes in general. The fact that no country or region is specified means that we can't point to the Tobacco Tax act of any particular country... we'd need a disambiguator page that includes every country that has one of these things, which is likely to be most of the countries in the world, which seems a bit too much. I think this is the correct target for the term (as the WP:BROAD topic of the subject), but I'm open to other suggestions. Fieari (talk) 04:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to keep it (I still believe that the name is horrendously broad and sounds like a proper name despite not existing), I believe a more adequate target would be Tobacco smoking#Taxation. Cheers, -1ctinus📝🗨 13:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would not object to that target. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete to encourage creation of the Canadian law by this name or Retarget to the proposed target (t · c) buidhe 01:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poffin

Poffin → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokéblocks and Poffins (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

as with pokéblocks, it's unmentioned in the target, and only mentioned in passing in the gen 4 games' articles (diamond and pearl, platinum, and brilliant diamond and shining pearl). they seem at least a little more notable than pokéblocks, so i guess put a pin on them for a few minutes cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

took a little more than a few minutes, but i found nothing good. the one potentially almost usable thing i found turned out to be two sentences stretched to two paragraphs, completely worthless in its content, and also wrong, as it says that poffins boost stats. delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Retarget to Puffin as this was a Middle English variant according to wiktionary. I'm also fine with deletion if my proposal is too much of a stretch. --Lenticel ^(talk) 08:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Puffin as a plausible typo/misnomer. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 23:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday gift

Holiday gift → Christmas gift (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The term is ambiguous and could be referencing any number of possible holiday gifts. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

correct. delete per nom, and if i hear anyone using the "people have been referring to christmas season as 'holiday season'" argument, i won't actually be very surprised cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Google doesn't appear to ruturn mainly Christmas things, only a few results are obviously for Christmas, the sponsored at the top are mainly for accomodation and flights. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as vague --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taze (rapper)

Taze (rapper) → Russ Millions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:RDEL #2, 10. Misleading redirect. Taze is not Russ Millions, he only collaborated with him on in the same way he collaborate with other artists such as Geko (rapper). He also released his own EP and quite a number of singles, so the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article. Muhandes (talk) 16:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Buccal organ

Buccal organ → Sucker (zoology) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Buccal organs → Sucker (zoology) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"buccal" in this context means "of, in, or relating to the mouth". i hear there is at least one other organ that can be in the average mouth, that not every mouth has or is a sucker, and that suckers are not the primary topic for this term. no idea what this could be retargeted to, aside from mouth cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the first hit on google for me is Rohde 1979 Light and electron microscopic studies of the ‘buccal suckers’ of Gotocotyla secunda showed that they are complex structures with muscular, glandular, (resorptive?), and probably sensory components. The name ‘buccal organ’ is therefore proposed for them. which clearly equates them with suckers. Looking further though I've rapidly become out of my depth in jargon so I can't answer the only relevant question in the nomination - "is the target the primary topic for this term". I'm going to leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anatomy and hope that project is more active than the talk page makes it seem. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also worthy of note is that this was originally a two-sentence stub starting Buccal organs, also known as bucal suckers, are present in worm parasites of the order Mazocraeidea., it was then redirected to Sucker (parasitic worm anatomy) which was merged to the present target in February 2014 by Chhandama. Thryduulf (talk) 00:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

went and did some more in-depth looking at those results, and they equated the term "buccal organ" with "organ of, in, or relating to the mouth". buccal suckers are buccal organs by this definition, but so are teeth, tongues, and lips cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medusa worm

Medusa worm → Sea cucumber (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

refers to synaptula lamperti, though the name isn't directly mentioned there. should it be retargeted to that, or left as is for now? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

note from the creator's talk page: it seems to also refer to loimia medusa, though that name isn't mentioned there at all. not sure if it refers to both, or if the one i suggested was just wrong cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Loimia medusa where I added a cited mention. It seems that Synaptula lamperti is called Medusa worm sea cucumber rather than just Medusa worm. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Glades (Arrowverse)

The Glades (Arrowverse) → List of DC Universe locations#Cities of the DC Universe Earth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article. Found nowhere suitable to retarget. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People food

People food → Food (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

is this subject to enough different definitions of "people" to warrant not retargeting to human food? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to human food, given that the latter article exists and I've only ever heard "people food" used to distinguish food for people to eat from food for pets or livestock. A quick google finds only partial title matches like "white people food" and "poor people food" and I don't have time to investigate further atm. I wondered if it was used at all to refer to Soylent green but I can't find any evidence of that. Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to human food as a synonym used when distinguishing it from animal feed of whatever sort. Fieari (talk) 00:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Riot Diet

Riot Diet → Yeule (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article. DrowssapSMM 11:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and possibly refine. It is mentioned at Yeule#Early life and education section. There are no other uses I can find on en.wp. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luar la L

Luar la L → Bad Bunny discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:RDEL #2, 10. Misleading redirect and a potential article. Luar La L is not Bad Bunny. While he has collaborated with Bad Bunny twice, he has also worked with many other artists, including three collaborations with Anuel AA. A red link is preferable to a misleading redirect. Muhandes (talk) 11:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ragg tuning fork

Ragg tuning fork → Tuning fork (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

that's apparently some brand that produces tuning forks. not mentioned in the target, doesn't seem like there's anything reliable regarding it cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, it is a brand but from what I can tell it seems to be one of, if not the, most notable manufacturer of tuning forks with at least two apparently reliable sources discussing it in depth [16] and [17] so there would be no verifiability issues with adding a mention. Whether a mention would be due or not I don't know, but I can't say for certain it wouldn't be. The redirect is getting suprisingly many views (over 100 this year), at least some of those will be because it's linked at rock gong but whether that's responsible for all of them I can't say (if the redirect is deleted that link must be updated). Thryduulf (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weird place to put what's effectively an ad (or mistaking "ragg" as being part of the name), but i won't question it cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Based on sources linked here, it does appear to be a notable in Europe, and seems similar to the redirects utilized in Category:Redirects from brand names. I would be happy to edit in a sentence to tuning fork as well about well-known manufacturers, if needed. Shotgunheist ^💬 15:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Purgegamers

Purgegamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Purge Gamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Kevin Godec after that article is restored. If that article survives this will be a useful redirect, if it's deleted at AfD this redirect will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion. There are no other targets I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per #Kevin Godec. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kevin Godec

Kevin Godec → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert to the article without prejudice to AfD. This was BLARed in 2019 and a quick google search finds lots of sources post-dating that - I'm not immediately seeing anything clearly showing notability but someone who knows the topic area is better placed to judge (and to know where sources are likely to be found if they exist). Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Thryduulf's research showing a lack of notability. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My research does not show a lack of notability - it shows that the subject is neither clearly notable nor clearly not notable: more research is needed. I'm astounded by how often you manage to completely misinterpret my comments to say the opposite of what I intend when almost nobody else ever does. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then do more research and let us know what you find. I'm very amenable to restoring content that may be notable but you have not made such a case. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Tavix. Good example of a research WP:WOOPS right there. Steel1943 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tavix has either misunderstood or mischaracterised my comment. My research does not demonstrate either notability or lack of notability, it demonstrates more research is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understood it. You have convinced me that we should go ahead and delete this redirect and not bother taking this to AfD. Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your two most recent comments clearly indicate that you have not understood. Thryduulf (talk) 18:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 22:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

would returning to red be a good idea? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not without a discussion at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. per precedent with this type of discussion (see quackifier), there's no point in taking an undisputed blar to afd so it can get deleted there for the exact same reason that it would have been deleted here, and i believe that if someone wants to recreate the article with the info thryduulf allegedly found, they likely will cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The blar is disputed here. My research indicated that more research, by someone who is more familiar with the topic area, is needed to determine whether the subject is notable or not. That is very much not the same thing as "it will be deleted at AfD". I don't understand why this concept is so difficult to understand? Thryduulf (talk) 00:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the entire dispute is you stating that you found info that could probably suggest notability, and leaving it at that. i believe tavix was correct in asking you to look deeper into it to actually prove his notability, and later stating that you haven't done that. again, if someone wants an article on purge, they can (and probably should) start from scratch cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political attack

Political attack → Ad hominem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Ambiguous (e.g. political violence). — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Even outside of political violence, not all political attacks are ad hominems... rhetorically attacking someone's policies or past performance certainly would count as a political attack, and would not be ad hominems, just as an example. I feel like there might be a proper target for negative political campaigning in general, a term that's just on the tip of my tongue, but I can't find it. Deletion might be appropriate, but I'm holding out hope someone can find a better target before it comes to that. That said, I definitely agree the current target is inappropriate. Fieari (talk) 07:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per reasoning above. Chuterix (talk) 09:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Negative campaigning, also the R target for Mudslinging. From my knowledge, this is the term that I hear most often when we talk about political attacks, if the term is intended to refer to negative campaigning within politics such as maybe Kier Starmer bringing up Rishi Sunak's non-dom status or Donald Trump campaigning against Hillary Clinton by raising her email controversy. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Ambiguous, as illustrated in the above discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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🆥

🆥 → Data (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I have no idea what this Unicode character is supposed to mean or how it's supposed to be related to the concept of data. Apparently this is U+1F1A5, which per https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F1A5 is a "Squared Latin Small Letter D". Possible other targets for this redirect include D, wikt:🆥, and Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement (the Unicode block the character is in). Duckmather (talk) 21:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – most of the hits I get are about Vitamin D, which suggests it is highly ambiguous at best. Cremastra (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement links to this PDF which originally proposed the encoding of these TV-related characters. I doubt it has anything to do with Vitamin D as suggested above, but the document does not make the exact meaning of this symbol clear either. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I expect it is more that it is sometimes, for whatever, reason, used as a cool-looking symbol for Vitamin D rather than "officially" being connected. Cremastra (talk) 02:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gorobay: Have you been editing these days? I recall you were the editor I asked questions to about such subject matter. If so, you have any thoughts on this? Steel1943 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This character is part of a range of symbols in Unicode derived from ARIB STD-B62 related to TV broadcasting technologies. According to this translation, it represents data broadcasting, which would be a more pertinent target than the current target Data. It might also be okay to redirect it to its Unicode block’s page, though I don’t think that is as helpful. Vitamin D is a red herring and not relevant to this discussion: searching for the character on Google brings up results about vitamin D only because Google normalizes “🆥” to “d”, and searching for “d” also brings up results about vitamin D. Gorobay (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, where it will provide information on what the f this character is. At that location, I suggest the meaning of "data broadcasting" be explained, and we can link to that article there, in order to serve the admittedly unlikely possibility of someone already knowing the meaning of the symbol and wanting to get to that article. Far more likely, anyone searching for this stumbled across it in the unicode character map or stumbled across someone using it randomly, and wondering what it is. The unicode block page will provide the information said searcher is looking for. Fieari (talk) 05:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Data broadcasting or, failing that, Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement. Enix150 (talk) 01:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shaar

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Pokémon-Amie

Pokémon-Amie → Gameplay of Pokémon#Affection (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pokémon-amie → Gameplay of Pokémon#Affection (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

mentioned in passing in pokémon x and y, but overall not that notable outside of evolving eevee into sylveon... then again, it's not mentioned in eevee cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Pokémon X and Y. Also, is "pokémon twitter and y" a joke or the result of a text replacement plugin? If the latter, you should disable it while editing Wikipedia. Raymond1922 (talk) 23:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you saw nothing cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Pokémon X and Y per Raymond 1922, as it is mentioned in-depth at the target. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GS Ball

GS Ball → Gameplay of Pokémon#Poké Ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

surprisingly not mentioned, even in celebi's section of the list of gen 2 pokémon cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom but I won't mind a weak retarget to Pokémon: The Johto Journeys where it is mentioned in a couple of episodes. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Perhaps surprisingly this isn't ambiguous, e.g. nobody listed at Ball (surname) has the initials GS. Thryduulf (talk) 01:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon Directory

Pokemon Directory → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pokémon directory → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

previously nominated and retargeted, despite notdirectory. the pokédex isn't much of a traditional directory either cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the consensus of the previous RfD that this is a good description of and plausible synonym for the target. I don't understand how WP:NOTDIRECTORY is relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thought this reply was sent before, but apparently not

do you think it's used as a synonym for the pokédex? because results mostly gave me lists of pokémon by whatever trait (type, pokédex number, etc.), blogs, guides, and... a book seemingly made in gen 2 with a cover written entirely in comic sans. come on, that's just cursed cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's a synonym, in the sense that people don't call it that as an alternative name, it is however a plausible search term for people who don't know or don't remember what the in-game directory of pokemon is called. Thryduulf (talk) 17:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't know how WP:NOTDIRECTORY applies to titles of articles, let alone redirects. As it says In that sense, Wikipedia functions as an index or directory of its own content. We are a directory of many things, just not things that are overly non-notable directory-ish, as in the examples given in NOTD. So I am undecided between keep based on that thinking of a Pokedex as a directory is very plausible (agree with the previous RfD) and add a section hatnote Gameplay of Pokémon § Pokédex. Or retarget to List of Pokémon, which is a directory of Pokemon. Skynxnex (talk) 05:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sony ARW 1.0

Sony ARW 1.0 → Raw image format#ARW 1.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sony ARW 2.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sony ARW 2.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sony ARW 2.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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ARW 1.0 → Raw image format#ARW 1.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
ARW 2.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
ARW 2.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
ARW 2.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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ARW 2.3.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
ARW 2.3.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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The target page no longer describes any versions of this particular raw image format (and it would probably be WP:UNDUE to do so). There are some mentions at List of cameras supporting a raw format. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 17:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Redirecting to the list would be useless as it only tells the reader that the format exists (which they already knew, having entered it into the search box). --Un assiolo (talk) 14:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2001 incident

2001 incident → September 11 attacks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Is this really the most appropriate target? 2001 lists a number of incidents, and Google results don't suggest this term is generally intended to refer to the terror attacks. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as impossibly vague. The September 11 attacks don't appear in the first 20 Google hits for me, but about 15 other incidents do including Death of Stuart Lubbock, something related to R. Kelly sexual abuse cases, something at Dreamworld (Australia), an incident at a high school in Edmonton, a chemical incident in Augusta, Georgia, 2001 Humber Refinery explosion, Toulouse chemical factory explosion, a US aircraft making an emergency landing in China, and a customer finding a fingernail in their food at a fast food restaurant. Thryduulf (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The September 11 attacks are definitely the most notable thing to have happened in the world that year, changing the course of world history in a pretty big way... but that said, calling it an "incident" seems incorrect, as an incident is typically much smaller than this. As far as incidents go, I agree that there were a lot of incidents that year that could be the target... where I'm on the fence is whether we should thus delete it, or retarget to the year, just 2001, effectively disambiguating it. I will say that at this time, I lean more towards retargeting to the year, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to bold a !vote right now. Fieari (talk) 05:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While generally "incident" tends to be used for more minor events that's not universal and some big happenings use the term, e.g. Gulf of Tonkin Incident, particularly it seems in the context of east Asia. So it's not implausible for a title with "incident" to refer to the September 11 attacks, but not this title. Thryduulf (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Thryduulf; other things happened in 2001, the current title is one of the most glaring violations of WP:PRECISION that I can imagine. Carguychris (talk) 17:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canada. Dept. of National Defence

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

"Loss"

"Loss" → Loss (comic) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

thank chernobog those aren't apostrophes. on a less important note, is this unnatural enough to warrant deletion, and if it's not, should it be retargeted to loss? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep normally I'd support deleting these per WP:PANDORA but the article suggests that the term with quotes is common so seems sensible enough to keep on its own merits. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
REtarget to loss (disambiguation) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Keep" or Retarget to loss (disambiguation) as my less preferred option. "Loss", specifically in quotes, does seem to have a primary target of this comic, and while the disambiguation page can get you there, it's far down the list and easily missable, particularly and especially if someone is searching this because they don't know what someone online is talking about when they put loss in quotes like this, which I would imagine is a major use case. If someone was not looking for this comic, I imagine they would remove the quotes and search again. Fieari (talk) 05:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Series of

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6. Unambiguously created in error.

Hands-On Museum

Hands-On Museum → Ann Arbor Hands-On Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete or disambig - quick google search found at least three other museums referred to this way, the Ann Arbor one doesn't seem to be clearly the primary topic. I don't believe we have articles for most of the others. Rusalkii (talk) 17:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Create a Set index at List of hands-on and interactive museums or some similar title (the terms are interchangeable) until we have content about the type of museum. Thryduulf (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hard Cast

Hard Cast → Bullet#Materials (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

results seem torn between hard cast bullets, orthopedic casts, and ptms for movies with "hard" in their titles cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom Hearts DS

Kingdom Hearts DS → Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Could be confused with Kingdom Hearts Re:coded. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

okay i believe you. retarget to kingdom hearts#games cogsan _{(quack) (ES LEBE DEUTSCHLAND)} 17:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete With no specific game called "Kingdom Hearts DS", letting the search function do its job is better than sending people to a big list. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
per precedent with redirects like kirby wii, i'll disagree with that. they tend to get retargeted to their series' articles, so readers can find the games that got released on those specific consoles cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Silly Boy

DJ Silly Boy → Steve Wright (DJ) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nickname not mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and add mention. Seems to be a pretty common nickname that was also used by Wright: [18] [19] (for [20] and [21] (I can't easily listen to the program to confirm that JD Silly Boy refers to Wright but it appears to). I hope to do another pass to find a source perhaps a bit better than MyLondon and add it to the article but seems common enough on forums (and I can't find any one else it refers to who has a wikipedia article) and such to keep regardless. Skynxnex (talk) 18:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skynxnex: Is MyLondon really so bad as to be unsuitable for this fairly uncontroversial addition? It isn't a source I've ever given much thought to. Couldn't find any mention of it in the archives of WP:RSN. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 20:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't know! It feels like a bit like a (traditional) tabloid so figured I'd let it sit a bit in case there's other thoughts/better source is found. Skynxnex (talk) 20:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. While I was considering just adding it, I can get behind the notion of giving it a few days for objections and/or anything better to surface. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 20:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bulleted

Bulleted → Bullet (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

weird case. normally, a redirect like this would be fine and dandy, as is the case with venous and depressed, but "bulleted" refers to either bullet points or... going really fast. opinions? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget, primary topic of a quick search seems to overwhelming be bullet points. Rusalkii (talk) 17:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to bullet (typography): I've never heard of it as shooting something ("aimed the gun and bulleted the target") or for going fast ("bulleted out the door"). I have heard of it as using bullet points ("made a bulleted list"). 78.149.135.163 (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Bullet (typography) as the clear primary topic. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Bullet (typography) as WP:PTOPIC. I have heard it used for going fast ("bulleted out the door"), but it's by far a rarer (even archaic?) use. Fieari (talk) 05:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jumbo jet(747)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete (WP:X3)

Etelis coruscans

Etelis coruscans → Etelis#Taxonomy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per the Rcat template: "Note that the practice of creating redirects from species names that could be articles is strongly discouraged." UtherSRG (talk) 16:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please link to the consensus decision that redirects from species names that could be articles is strongly discouraged. It does not appear to be linked from the template. A categorical claim like this should be linked to the guidance supporting it. Please ping with reply. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will also note that the reason for speedy deletion was given as an implausible typo or misnomer which it clearly is not, and that reason was misleading and deserving of a challenge. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilian and Portuguese varieties

Brazilian and Portuguese varieties → Brazilian Portuguese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

is this vague? as far as i understand, it could be referring to any type of "variety" of anything that could be considered "brazilian" or "portuguese" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Very vague. Not helpful at all. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AN/PSG-2

AN/PSG-2 → Gun data computer#Systems (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The redirect AN/PSG-2 targets an article that does not even mention the PSG-2. The redirect is much more confusing than useful and should be deleted. — TadgStirkland⁴⁰¹ (Tadg^Talk) 12:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either that or the article should be updated to mention the PSG-2, which would remove the problem and make the redirect useful.· · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weekend Trip

Weekend Trip → List of TV5 (Philippine TV network) original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Weekend trip → Tourism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. Ambiguous title. ToadetteEdit (talk) 12:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've added Weekend trip to this discussion, which points to a completely different article that also doesn't mention the phrase, although it is clearly related. In terms of articles that do mention the phrase, almost all are NOTTRAVELGUIDE violations or passing mentions in plot summaries. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd call this a weekend away which doesn't exist, but Weekend Away does (and targets an article on a film). Depending on if a viable target for the others can be found this too may need thought about. If no target for the first two can be found then I suppose they will be deleted and nothing changes for Weekend Away. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both With capitals, this is the name of the weekend primetime programming block for TV5 (see playlist on the channel's Youtube). Without capitals, it's a common form of tourism or leisure activity. SFB 20:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both, but add a mention to both targets to make them useful. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms of Bogor

Coat of arms of Bogor → Bogor#Coat of arms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

In the redirected section, no sections appear in the Bogor article. So for me it's better to just delete it, because if you redirect it, nothing will appear in that article. Baqotun0023 (talk) 11:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the coat of arms is displayed in the infobox and an earlier coat of arms is displayed lower down the article. Thryduulf (talk) 15:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does exist, but the redirect page is no longer in the article (the reason could have been deleted or the source was invalid), so in my opinion it would be better to just delete the CoA of Bogor page. Baqotun0023 (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that the coat of arms is in the target article even if the section is not. Thryduulf (talk) 16:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice if the target was more obviously visible, but if it is there, it is there · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (see above), · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 12:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harris Sullivan

Harris Sullivan → List of Yorkshire County Cricket Club players (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in target ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it nominated for deletion, then I agree with it. Thank you. Goodknowme (talk) 11:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think they are eligible for inclusion on that list having played multiple List A matches for the county [22]. If so then, they should be added and the redirect kept. Thryduulf (talk) 15:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Thryduulf.· · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 08:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Halloween Cup

Halloween Cup → List of figure skating competitions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Has been added to the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Azerbaijani Figure Skating Championships

Azerbaijani Figure Skating Championships → List of figure skating competitions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Has been added to the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Big Falls (disambigution)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

André Bouchard ( environmentalist)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Villarejo (disambigulation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6. The history at Villarejo (surname) shows this was created accidentally.

Home computer game

Home computer game → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Home computer games → PC game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not sure if these redirects should be retained at their current target or be retargeted to Video game. Per the result of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 5#Computer game, Computer game was retargeted away from PC game and to Video game. Considering the current states of the articles Home computer and Personal computer ("PC" in the current target), it does not seem as though the usage of the phrase "home computer" exclusively refers to "personal computer". Steel1943 (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the target works with the significant home computer game history on the PC game article and is not comparable to the computer game redirect result. A disambiguation hatnote was added to the video game article by me, maybe add something similar to PC game? IgelRM (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Who's gonna type this over "computer game"? Unnecessary and pointless over-redirection. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per IgelRM. The previous RfD outcome for Computer game was proper. The hatnote mentioned by IgelRM is proper, the proposed reverse hatnote is not necessary. Jay 💬 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Zxcvbnm. --Un assiolo (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There is significant discussion of home computer games at the current target (eg: PC game#Growth of home computer games). -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to resolve WP:PEIS errors on the main WP:RFD page. This discussion may be closed anytime.
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Keep Seems like an extremely plausible search term for anyone wanting to see our coverage of home computer games. On Wikipedia, we do not have an individual article for the topic but we do have coverage at the target as noted by IgelRM and Tavix. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 22:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both - Target contains the information we have on this subject, which is historical. To answer ZxcvbnmM's question, someone researching the history of the art form is going to come across this term a lot, and likely will want to find out encyclopedic information on it. We don't have a full article, but we do discuss it here. That's why we have the redirect. Fieari (talk) 00:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All-Star Batman and Robin

All-Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
All star batman and robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
All Star Batman and Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
All-Star Batman & Robin → All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

all-star batman and robin is a different goddamn comic from all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder, but its only meaningful goddamn mention is in the goddamn list of batman comics, and the goddamn results seem to give goddamn priority to all star batman & robin, the goddamn boy wonder. should they be goddamn retargeted to the goddamn list of batman comics, or are they goddamn fine as is? cogsan _{(goddamn talk page) (goddamn contribs)} 13:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

on that goddamn note, should i bring up all star batman and all-star batman (the only goddamn difference is a goddamn hyphen), as they have different goddamn targets, or does the goddamn exclusion of robin narrow them out of this goddamn topic? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 00:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there's no goddamn way that the current goddamn arrangement with those two redirects (ASB and A-SB) is the correct goddamn outcome. Since this conversation seems to be lurching toward to a goddamn DAB, I think that the next goddamn question is whether the goddamn DAB is titled something like "All Star Batman" and includes all of these goddamn titles (ASB, ASBAR, ASBARTBW) or whether it's just ASBAR and ASBARTBW. The former "broader" DAB actually seems like my preferred goddamn outcome. —mako ๛ 11:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Too many goddamn questions!
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bats like their goddamn questions. they like them a lot. cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Sorry that I don't get the references here, and I'm thinking many won't. Heck, I don't even understand the nomination statement. What's going on with these redirects? Steel1943 (talk) 14:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

asbar and asbartbw (what a nice acronym) are different comics, though only the latter has an article of its own. the joke is mostly that the target really loves plastering the word "goddamn" everywhere, to the point where "the goddamn batman" is an actual redirect to it cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not enough goddamn answers!
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Disambiguate - Since it was too confusing, we should make into a disambiguation page. Ahri Boy (talk) 03:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question for Cogsan perhaps. This is a very confusing nomination (even without all the goddamns)! Are the very similarly named comics without articles at the moment not notable or do they just not have articles yet? If they are never going to have articles, the proposal sounds reasonable since it seems like this redirect should point somewhere and that seems like the obvious place that currently exists! Otherwise, I like the idea of redirecting to a DAB that explains the situation (perhaps with WP:REDLINKS?). —mako ๛ 12:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i'm not the biggest batman fanatic out there so i can't say for sure, but results for "all-star batman" and "all-star batman and robin" are riddled with all star batman & robin, the boy wonder, since robin is a pretty important character in batman lore and "boy wonder" is a pretty common nickname for him, so it's hard to tell

in case of doubt, i'll assume the answer is "their only notable trait is sharing their names with that one comic", and change my vote to dabifying between all star batman & robin, the boy wonder, dc rebirth, and the list of batman comics so i don't have to think about it again cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dabify as per the goddamn response by the goddamn nom and the goddamn conversation here. —mako ๛ 15:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dabify, goddammit - What, are you dense? Are you ^%$&*^%# or something? Just where do you think this should go? It's The Goddamn All-Star Batman & Robin (disambiguation). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 07:39, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i just realized this implies you either have the line memorized or had to check the comic in some way to see it. in either case, my condolences cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The panel actually showed up on superdickery.com back when that website was A Thing, and even if it didn't the panel is in our article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 22:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that still falls within "some way". the condolences are inevitable cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Can someone draft a disambiguation page? I would usually do so myself but I am not familiar with the topic. C F A 💬 16:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CFA like this? nah, not happening

...jokes aside, i haven't actually found any info on a comic series named "all-star batman and robin", and none of the wikis i found had any entries under that name either, so it's probably just asb and asbartbw cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: for goddamn opinions on this goddamn draft
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Keep. The other comic in question is "All-Star Batman", so I don't see the confusion because the titles in question are "All-Star Batman and Robin" (emphasis added). If you're specifically searching with 'and Robin', why would you be looking for "All-Star Batman"? If there is genuine confusion, add a hatnote. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yes, i noticed the mistake before, there's no "all star batman and robin" (as far as i know, at least), but there is an "all star batman". considering letting them be kept so i can nominate them all together and not use draftspace for this process cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to resolve WP:PEIS errors on the main WP:RFD page. This discussion may be closed anytime.
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to make the goddamn vote a little more goddamn formal, close per my goddamn comment above, so we can start from goddamn scratch cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Newman!

Hello, Newman! → Newman (Seinfeld) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Only mentioned once at the target ~~phrase~~ article, claiming to be "Jerry's trademark phrase" for Newman. Is the phrase trademarked? No clue, as there is no reference anywhere in the paragraph where this is stated to be true. Otherwise implausible for people to use this phrase to reach the article about Newman from Seinfeld, before searchers attempt to search for Newman (Seinfeld) (as the character's name is in the phrase in question). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - plausible search term, and there is no other plausible target. "target phrase"? Did you mean "target article"? Jay 💬 17:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I've since removed the mention of the phrase from the target article as well. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh well, retarget to Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman. List of catchphrases in American and British mass media has a FOX website source Most popular sitcom catchphrases of all time, from 'Ayyyy!' to 'Hello, Newman' which gives a Page not found though, and may need to be dug up from the archives. Jay 💬 17:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also removed the [totally unsourced] mention from Jerry Seinfeld (character)#Newman as well. The only context present there refers to an erroneous claim that it's "Jerry's trademark phrase", with no citation about a trademark. Beyond that, I'm highly doubtful that this list based on a seemingly subjective metric of "most popular" sitcom catchphrases of all time, would be anything of a reliable source to substantiate any mention. Newman's personality can be demonstrated totally well enough without it. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Jerry's trademark phrase" uses the figurative/colloquial meaning of trademark. It is not a legal assertion that Jerry uses the phrase to identify a particular company's product and differentiate it from other companies' products. SilverLocust 💬 05:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The content should be added back. The archived source link is here. Jay 💬 17:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Do we do soft redirects to Wikiquote? (Not sure if a target exists, not sure if we do such soft redirects these days ... just asking based on our Wiktionary soft redirects' existence.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do do soft redirects to Wikiquote when that's the best target. No opinion (at the moment) on whether that's true in this case. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at Wikiquote for a bit: Seems it's more focused on non-serial media, such as films, instead of reoccurring media, such as TV series. What I mean is if a quote is stated more than once in a media (such as multiple episodes in a series), it seems there is no clear target for the quote on Wiktionary. (There may be character pages ... but I haven't figured that out yet.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Utopes: The current target still mentions the phrase, in the section "Reception and popularity". The discussion of the phrase in that section implies it is very notable, though I am personally leaning delete as long as all mention of the phrase is removed. --Un assiolo (talk) 12:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and re-add per Jay. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Quadrachromic pencil

Quadrachromic pencil → Pencil (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not look like we have any content on this, neither at the current target nor at Colored pencil. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the history of this redirect suggests it's a {{R from merge}} but I've not investigated whether it was actually merged. The two sentences were enough that it wouldn't meet any speedy deletion criterion if restored but not enough to sustain an article. If sent to AfD I expect it would get a mix of !votes to delete, merge, and expand with consensus equally likely to be any of them. History and uses are obvious potential areas for expansion but I've not yet looked to see what sources are available. Thryduulf (talk) 04:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think an entry for multi-colored pencils in general, including 3 color, 4 color, 5 color, 6 color, and more, would fit very well at Colored pencil#Types. I imagine it shouldn't be hard to find a sources simply stating what they are, maybe how they are made, who uses them, etc. Then we could redirect there. Fieari (talk) 06:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dirtbag (and other Transformers redirects)

Dirtbag (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Electro (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Firecracker (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
High Beam (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Hooligan (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Manta Ray (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Powerdive → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Smokejumper (Transformers) → Transformers: Generation 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

(My first time to nominate a group, so I'm probably doing it wrong. Feel free to edit/fix the nom as appropriate, or tell me what I need to do.) I propose we delete these 8 redirects, all of which redirect to Transformers: Generation 2. These pages appear to refer to Transformers characters/toys, although they are not mentioned at the target page. So not useful for navigation, says I, and ought to be deleted. None of these names are mentioned at Transformers, either, or I would have suggested retargeting. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 19:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The spirit of WP:Articles for deletion/High Beam (Transformers) was that content from the article history be used for a merge to either the current target or List of Autobots (now redirected to Autobot). So either do a merge, or restore and add the {{merge}} tag. Delete all other entries. Jay 💬 09:21, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom due to a lack of mention. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/High Beam (Transformers) was redirected back in 2016 just in case someone in the discussion wanted to perform a merge. That never occurred in the eight years since, which shows that there was no such appetite to merge. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chinese coins

Chinese coins → Ancient Chinese coinage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chinese coin → Ancient Chinese coinage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Is there some reason that Chinese coins are assumed to be ancient? To the contrary, I would personally assume that people looking for information about Chinese coins would be looking for information about modern coins. The same for Chinese coin. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added/bundled Chinese coin into the discussion. (Was checking to see in the singular and plural had different targets, and well ... they do not.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: What a cluster of existing articles did I run into: Between Chinese currency (a disambiguation page), the fact that the aforementioned page has multiple articles listed related to subjects named "Yuan" (including Renminbi, which is alternative called the "Chinese Yuan"), History of Chinese currency, Chinese cash (currency unit), the nominated redirect's current target and ALL of the potentially ambiguous redirects targeting EACH of the respective aforementioned non-redirect pages ... this whole situation is a mess. Obviously, the current target is wrong; my vote here is weak retarget to Chinese currency as a {{R from ambiguous term}}, but oh my gosh, there seems to be a need for a WP:BROADCONCEPT somewhere ... but does History of Chinese currency already serve that purpose? (Honestly, I'm thinking Chinese currency should be WP:BLARed towards History of Chinese currency, but that's a different discussion for a different day.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...And just found Chinese cash, another disambiguation page ... with more articles including Cash (Chinese coin). Wow... Steel1943 (talk) 19:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a side note, I ran into this redirect by trying to identify the origin and denomination of a modern coin that I have laying around. It doesn't have English writing on it, so I thought it might be Chinese and looked for info by putting "Chinese coins" into the search box. I suspect that happens a lot. (Unfortunately, even at Renminbi § Coins, I didn't find any pictures, unlike for American coins, Canadian coins, Japanese coins, Korean coins, Russian coins, etc. I eventually had to look outside of Wikipedia to identify it as a Chinese one jiao coin.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current redirect targets are {{R from move}} results of a long-ago move. "Currency of Foo" and "Foo currency" titles tend to be all over the place. Most redirect to the page on the currently used currency in question, but the Eurozone can get weird (e.g. French currency redirects to French franc, but Currency of France to euro, which is technically correct based on grammar). Countries that have had several currencies or that have had currency substitution tend to have standalone articles, but these differ in scope from disambiguation articles (e.g. the very simple Currency of Greece or Currency of San Marino), to list-type articles (e.g. Currency of Spain, Currency of Germany, Brazilian currency), to full-text/list articles (Currency of Ecuador, Currency of Maldives), to extensive history articles (e.g. Korean currency).
TL;DR It's fine to have Chinese currency as a disambiguation page. Whether Currency of China should direct there might also be considered.

On the nominal topic of this discussion, I support a retarget of both to Chinese currency. — AjaxSmack 20:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Renminbi#Coins would be another logical target for "Chinese coins". It's surprising that there is not a more detailed section, or even article, with images, compared to the very detailed coverage of some other countries' coinage. PamD 20:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Logic aside, a special consideration for this case is that a) coins are not used much in China now (vis-à-vis banknotes, Alipay and WeChat pay) and b) the copper cash coins seen in strings of cash are still found prominently in the Sinosphere with non-currency uses such as in Chinese numismatic charms, in art, in fengshui, in fortune telling, in graves, in medicine and among overseas Chinese. When I hear "Chinese coin" I think more of these and less of a 5-jiao coin. — AjaxSmack 20:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah: on looking further, (a) there are detailed articles such as Fifth series of the renminbi, which I found by rummaging around the category tree to get to Category:Coins of China, and (b) there are no articles on French coins or Brazilian coins (picking a couple of countries I expected to be well and poorly covered), although there are articles such as French franc, French euro coins and Brazilian real. It looks as if we don't cater for the reader like the OP who wants to find out about the coins of a country, together, to try to identify the one in their hand, without knowing the names of the units of currency or anything else about the country's coinage. PamD 20:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I've just spotted that Ancient Chinese coins, to which Chinese coins currently points, has a helpful hatnote pointing to Renminbi#Coins, so all is perhaps well. PamD 20:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or perhaps not, as that route doesn't lead easily to the detailed info in Fifth series of the renminbi etc, which is where the detailed info can be found. Better navigation is needed to help the reader like our OP find the info which exists in the encyclopedia! PamD 05:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning toward a retarget to Renminbi § Coins. It seems like that's what someone looking for "Chinese coins" would be seeking, not Taiwanese or Hong Kong or historical topics, etc., so I don't think the disambiguation currently provided at Chinese currency is helpful. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Chinese currency, both phrases are equally as ambiguous. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Chinese currency as there doesn't seem to be a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 16:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget both to Chinese currency, which will get you to what you are looking for pretty easily. Fieari (talk) 00:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Imperial Royalty

Imperial Royalty → Imperial Majesty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This term does not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess Royalty and Majesty are somewhat synonymous. Josethewikier (talk) 02:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above, since both words are synonymous. CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The words are not exact synonyms, and, more imporatntly, "Imperial Majesty" is a title, but "Imperial Royalty" isn't. Emperors can referred to as "His Imperial Majesty", but no ruler has ever been called "His Imperial Royalty". The redirect as it stands is misleading. If it's to be kept, Emperor would be a better target. Tevildo (talk) 17:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Imperial and Royal, Imperial–royal, Imperial and Royal Highness, Imperial and Royal Majesty, are just a small selection of targets where this could reasonably point. Unless it can be established that this term is actually used in this form for one or more topics we cover, this should likely be deleted as vague. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 21:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to King-Emperor. They're not synonymous; in the context of monarchy, "imperial" refers to emperors/empresses, and "royalty" only to kings/queens, a lesser dignity. This article is general, not country-specific like "Imperial-royal" or "Imperial and Royal", and the redirect title is about a concept, not about a title like "Imperial and Royal Highness" or "Imperial and Royal Majesty". Nyttend (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per Nyttend. All the other proposed targets are specific to a particular context, whereas King-Emperor is a broad concept article. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete it looks like the first Google hit for the term is a Pomerian dog breeder, which wasn't exactly on my bingo card. The other results seem to be mostly the kind of keyword synonym spam people use for SEO. There seems to be the occasional usage in historical contexts, e.g. an old history book or museum listing. I think they're using it to emphasize that these are imperial royals, e.g. emperors and not kings, but it doesn't seem to be a term of art. In any case, serious use of the term is rare and doesn't not appear to be a synonym for Imperial Majesty or King-Emperor. Rusalkii (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No obvious good target. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to King-Emperor, agreeing with Nyttend that this is the best target. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010

North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010 → David Taylor (North West Leicestershire MP) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Never happened. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak refine to the "Standing down" section where it gets explained the most. There are a few hits dotted around the web as a by-election was expected. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In which case it should be renamed Planned North West Leicestershire by-election, 2010, without leaving a redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this were an article I could support moving but only retaining a redirect, as a redirect I can only oppose. The current title is the plausible search term, given that's how UK by-election articles are titled. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not at all plausible, it's a fictional event. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not it's not fictional. It was an expected event that ended up not happening because it turned out to be a rare exception to the norm of by-elections happening within ~four months of a vacancy arising. Given that norm and the rarity of exceptions, it is very plausible for someone seeing the MP for North West Leicestershire died in late December 2009 to expect there to have been a by-election in the constituency in the first quarter of 2010. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is ultimately fictional, as it never happened and can never happen, as it's no longer 2010. Like I said, the redirect can be moved to serve the same purpose. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did the preparations for the by-election actually start? The Banner talk 11:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AIUI formal preparations can only start once the writ for the election has been issued (which it never was), but it is very likely that at least some informal ones were. Given that those same preparations would have just become preparations for the general election when that was called, and most of them wouldn't have been newsworthy I'm not sure how you'd go about ascertaining, especially at this distance. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The by-election should have been within four months after vacating the seat, if I read it correct. That would bring the by-election to the end of April 2010 (roughly). That makes it more than likely that the by-election was effectively cancelled due to the upcoming general election. So in my opinion, it makes sense to retarget to 2010 United Kingdom general election The Banner talk 18:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where is this mentioned at 2010 United Kingdom general election? -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to North West Leicestershire (UK Parliament constituency)#History, which is the general article where it's explained. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep My comments here might give an insight into how readers like myself use redirects of this sort. The argument of it not coming to pass seems better suited for AfD; for a redirect, we should be judging its utility in taking readers to accurate information on the topic. In this case, that accurate information is a description of why this usually-expected event did not in fact occur. We have the info, we can anticiapte the search, we therefore best serve our readers by taking them to that info. This seems to be WP:RKEEP #3 and #5 versus no particular compelling reasons for deletion given the inherent cheapness/harmlessness of redirects as a general rule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.135.163 (talk) 23:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Abritration Committe

Wikipedia:Abritration Committe → Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Both "Arbitration" and "Committee" are misspelled, making this an implausible redirect. 88.97.195.160 (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Created 8 years ago purposely as a misspelling, and is in no way ambiguous. ~~(The forecast is calling for WP:SNOW.)~~ Steel1943 (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quite a lot, maybe even the majority, of R3s are created on purpose. The only reason this doesn't suffer the same fate is its age, which is only relevant to R3 and nothing else. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...Seems the WP:SNOW forecast was canceled... Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unused and implausible. Would have qualified as an R3 had it been caught early. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Plausible and harmless, especially as it's in project space. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Being in project space is irrelevant. And plausible? Really? Two totally random letter deletions that are horrendously unlikely to ever happen together in that exact way along with no other typing errors, precisely? There's a small but nonzero cost to keeping it as a maintenance burden. There's zero harm in deleting it. Why are you so hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only cost comes from discussions like this one - in the past 8 years this redirect has required no maintenance and caused no harm. Indeed this nomination has resulted in the expending of almost infinitely more editor time and effort than this redirect would have done in at least 20 years had it been left alone. I'm not hell-bent on keeping all these useless redirects, I'm simply opposed to the deletion of harmless redirects because deletion is never harmless (for example it hinders navigation) so we should only delete pages when the harm from the existence of the redirect exceeds the harm caused by deletion. In this case there is truly no harm from the redirect's existence - anyone stumbling across it will be taken to where they want to go. It being in project space is relevant, because there is no chance of someone finding this while looking for encyclopaedic content. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is what I was I was getting at but in a lot more words: This redirect is in the project/"Wikipedia:" namespace. If someone types this redirect out, they are obviously looking for the current target page. Deletion does more harm than good. Steel1943 (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Thryduulf on this. There was zero maintenance burden from this redirect until this RFD was created, which has used far more storage space/processing power/brain power than the redirect ever has. The redirect probably isn't that helpful, but that isn't really enough to justify deletion. BugGhost 🦗👻 11:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per previous comments. Redirects are cheap, and despite being an implausible spelling, it's not in mainspace and doesn't do much harm staying as it is. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as harmless {{R from misspelling}}. C F A 💬 18:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom as two separate errors -> implausible. Being in project-space makes this even more unlikely to be typed because 99.5% of everyone types "WP:ARBCOM" or "WP:AC" into the search-bar anyway. This might've been harmless before, and I myself wouldn't have nominated it... but we're here now at RfD so lets seal the deal: its existence is a bad precedent that opens the door to an infinite potential redirect mess.

If every page on Wikipedia had 5-10 typo redirects that generally seen as implausible, but aren't technically hurting anything because redirects are technically cheap, Wikipedia as a whole would be 5x-10x harder to maintain on the backend / pagecount side, because for each of the millions of pages that exist (across all namespaces), there's tens of millions of implausible typo redirects to scroll through. This is an example of one, so delete to save us the headache of having this same conversation over this exact redirect in another 5-10 years. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Utopes. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as its possible for someone to mispell it, even if its 1/1000 chance. JuniperChill (talk) 19:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dleete prr Utopas, impkusable. Queen of Hearts (talk) 05:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Utopes' excellent explanation. Harmful, as this has come up on RfD and been relisted, and there's nothing to prevent its recurrence at RfD given that there was support for Delete. Jay 💬 16:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because the absence of a consensus to delete means it might get nominated for deletion in the future is one of the silliest justifications for deletion I can recall seeing. Thryduulf (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Utopes' justification was Delete per nom as two separate errors -> implausible. Everything else was a justification of why this is the opposite of harmless. Jay 💬 15:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that justification is what I was calling silly. We don't delete something because some people think that the lack of consensus to delete it was wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What justification are you referring to - the multiple errors one for deletion, or the explanation for why discussing this at RfD is not harmless? Jay 💬 21:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The explanation given for why this is not harmless. The only "harm" will come if peopled disliking a lack of consensus to delete think it's worth wasting time nominating a harmless redirect for deletion (for a reason I don't understand). The misspelling is a valid reason to think this is useless, no valid reason has been given for why it is harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No Consensus outcomes sometimes get re-nominated after a gap. Sure, a nominator wouldn't do it if he thought it was harmless. I have said why it is harmful. Jay 💬 08:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, multiple typoes are implausible. I do agree that redirects like these are harmless and should not be nominated due to the cost of discussing them, but at this point it's a sunk cost. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Utopes. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as it is an implausible typo due to both words being misspelled and being in project space. I doubt someone would type the full name out with many typos and not just use the shortcuts or the search bar results first. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirects may be cheap but imagine if we kept/created a redirect for every single 2 word item with 2 errors in it, while arguably harmless we would end up with a huge amount of clutter. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You call it clutter, I call it being helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 20:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you call it being helpful to readers, i call it "almost a genuine reason to cite pandora". i'm of the mind that someone going to arbcom (and most of wikipedia for that matter) would be expected to have the writing skill to not misspell a word and then press enter exactly one letter too early. utopes' justification was on point cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are they likely to be used by people? Yes they are cheap but they aren't free, as noted at WP:COSTLY if there are many and pages are moved/deleted or content is moved redirects can easily end up pointing to the wrong place if there are too many to fix which would obviously confuse users. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Two separate errors make this highly unlikely to be useful. Let's cleanup the clutter and focus on making and maintaining useful redirects. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as harmless, non-user facing, WP:CHEAP, and old. Fieari (talk) 00:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as unlikely, especially so as this is not reader-facing. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 17:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to make it clear for the future: no redirects with unlikely typo constellations will be kept. – sgeureka ^t•c 15:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 8

Muhajir Province

Muhajir Province → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This redirect points to its current target due to its former target, Muhajir Province (Movement) (title match but with a disambiguator, thus a WP:PRECISE violation), being subject to a total WP:BLAR which occurred a few months ago. Steel1943 (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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3128

3128 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. These should have been nominated together. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

8009

8009 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

6009

6009 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3601

3601 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3101

3101 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3004

3004 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5670

5670 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom (and the others as well). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

7777

7777 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, page history shows that this can also refer to You Only Live Twice (novel). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to You Only Live Twice (novel). --Un assiolo (talk) 13:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Targeting "lucky number" 7777 to a book is WP:SURPRISEing. Only mentioned once at the page in question. The book will be one of the several options that pops up in a search for this red-link, without needing to bake a four-digit number-title into a redirect towards a non-numerical target. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

9876

9876 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this and all the other four-digit numbers on this page. No content + vague numbers with several prospective usages = unhelpful in this case, better as a redlink + search results. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3389

3389 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and this is also a port number. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not mentioned at the target article. It is implausible that someone would be searching for port numbers on Wikipedia. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3059

3059 → Timeline of the far future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at target, and the title initially referred to a video game according to the page history. Search results also mention this as a stock symbol. I don't think this redirect is helpful. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:35, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not mentioned at target article and unlikely that someone will search for this. Jontesta (talk) 18:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:R from patronymic

Template:R from patronymic → Template:R from surname (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Patronymics are not surnames, and I don't think the use-cases here are even remotely similar. I'm not sure if there are any naming conventions that would refer to a person by their patronymic only, so the only redirects from patronymics I could imagine would lead to articles about the corresponding names (not people). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:09, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One usecase will be redirects from patronymics that are misinterpreted as surnames, which is something that is, for example, done by many people from Britain and the US with respect to Icelandic names. Thryduulf (talk) 22:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They would still be redirects from patronymics, I interpreted your nomination to be arguing for the deletion of the redirect for having no valid usecases?

I can think of five possible targets for a redirect from a patronymic

A single article (when it is unambiguous)
A surname page (where a single name is used as both a surname and a patronymic by different people)
A given name page (where a single name is used as both a given name and a patronymic by different people)
A a combination given name and surname page (when some people use it as a given name and others a surname)
A patronymic page (when it is used as a patronymic by multiple notable people, but not as any other sort of name)

So I guess either retargetting to {{R from short name}} or making it it's own template would be best. Thryduulf (talk) 04:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in multiple cultures e.g. Icelandic names, they use patronymics instead of surnames. Thus, every "R from surname" for Icelandic name is actually a "R from patronymic". Joseph2302 (talk) 06:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overruled

Overruled → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Overrule → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Is the US legal term the primary topic here? We do also have Overruled! (a TV show) and Overruled (play). Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dabify as there are many potential targets --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dabify per nom. I have also bundled Overrule into this. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 21:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't add the tag to that redirect or notify the creator, but I've done so now. Thryduulf (talk) 01:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I was going to close this as disambiguate Overruled and redirect Overrule to it, but there doesn't seem to actually be anything else "Overrule" could refer to. I think "Overrule" should be kept as is. C F A 💬 17:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as is per CFA. If there are other meanings worth mentioning, add them to a hatnote at the target article. BD2412 T 03:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dabify: There is no primary topic, due to the two common meanings in law: a court's opinion which overturns precedent, or a judge's interjection to squelch a lawyer's objection. Plus the TV show and play identified by Thryduulf, for a total of at least four dab entries. Jruderman (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rat feces

Rat feces → Rat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 02:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, add mention at target. pages of sources. Hyperbolick (talk) 08:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete until/unless content is in fact added, otherwise this is just confusing for any searchers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs) 17:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is the "sewage" mentioned at Rat#In the spread of disease anything to do with rat feces? Jay 💬 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no mention of "feces" at target. If discussed later, recreate. In the meantime, delete. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MAGA tourist

MAGA tourist → January 6 United States Capitol attack#Participants and response (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between this specific phrase and the target unclear. Though MAGA is a rather known phrase, the use of the phrasing of the redirect on third party engines doesn't return results for "MAGA", but rather returns results for tourism in cities named "Maga". Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This term is used to help categorize people involved in the events of January 6, 2021 at the U.S. Capitol. For example, see Lucas, Ryan. “Where the Jan. 6 insurrection investigation stands, one year later”, NPR (6 Jan 2022): “In the past year, the FBI and the public have learned a lot about who the rioters were and what motivated them, and they fall into three general categories. The first are the so-called MAGA tourists. These are Trump supporters who entered the Capitol but didn't engage in violence or destroy property.” If there are other significant uses of this term, then I’d recommend a disambiguation page. Anythingyouwant (talk) 08:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The target section "Participants and response" does not exist. It was renamed last year by Feoffer to "Participants, groups, and demographics", and later to "Participants, groups, and criminal charges". Jay 💬 17:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I support directing it to “Participants, groups, and criminal charges” instead of “Participants and response”. Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. While Anythingyouwant's comment explains the term's origins, I think it also demonstrates the redirect's lack of utility. Anyone who is aware of the term will likely get a better sense of its meaning from the context they heard it than here, and it's actually somewhat misleading it to just leave or refine it, as the reader could infer that "MAGA tourist" means "member of the mentioned groups," which seems to not be the case. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 18:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The meaning of a redirect is often known by the person who clicks on it, and they click on it to get further information on the subject. In other words, they know the dictionary meaning, but want encyclopedic info rather than dictionary info. Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Done. But, User:Tavix, it may not last. Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (well, fix the subsection link to what it was changed to, but otherwise keep). There's a mention, but more to the point, we provide the encyclopedic information the searcher is looking for even if the mention is removed... assuming the searcher knows the dictionary definition, this will get them to the encyclopedic content they want. Fieari (talk) 05:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency

Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency → Body image (neuroscience) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

not mentioned at target (in over 10 years) seems to be created for listing at dab FAI as the only user, but I'm removing that dab entry as it fails WP:DABACRO and wouldn't be used anyway due to incorrect capitalisation. Widefox; talk 20:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's an index [23], that could indeed be listed at FAI. The capitalisation *seems* to be correct, although I'm not sure why the authors chose to capitalise it this way. In other sources [24] [25], sentence case seems to be preferred. I don't think there's enough information to write an article, but it might merit a mention at the target. Cremastra (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Texvc

Texvc → Wikipedia:Texvc (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Legacy cruft does not warrant a double soft redirect from mainspace. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or retarget if a mention is added. The page was moved (without redirect) to project space in 2010 following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texvc reached no consensus. The redirect was recreated "since Meta has many links to this page, and I don't have access to a bot to correct Meta". The redirect gets over 400 hits a year with only a handful of days with zero visits, and I can find no evidence of anything else with this name so it's clearly providing value to those using it. I don't know how to filter out all the manpages, package lists, forum questions and programming snippets, etc. to assess whether this is notable enough for a mention somewhere, but someone who does know how to do that should do that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Since there is no page in projectspace, it is a redirect to an offsite location, this is therefore a redirect to an offsite location, and not the proper use of a redirect. The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary. Per Thryduulf's stats, WP:REDLINK to allow creation of an article, should it prove notable. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary this is incorrect. While Wiktionary is the most common target of soft redirects in the mainspace it is not the only one. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: unambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 01:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Certificat Superieur de Francais

Certificat Superieur de Francais → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Certificat Supérieur de Français → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Only seems to occur in a passing mention on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 13:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note I've merged the version with the diacritic in with this nomination as was likely intended. It was nominated with no rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This seems to be the full name of the "B2" level mentioned at Telc#French and possibly warrants a mention, but a mention at Français langue étrangère#Diplomas, certifications and examinations may also be due. Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdali Airport

Abdali Airport → Kandahar International Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Failed to verify the source redirect as an alt for the target. Not mentioned either. ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saving Grace (2025 TV series)

Saving Grace (2025 TV series) → List of Kapamilya Channel original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deer cannon

Deer cannon → Bird scarer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

results are torn between the propane cannons used to give birds a dang ol spook, and actual deer cannon bones. i haven't found any info on where the name for the cannons came from, but it seems used, albeit not enough to warrant a redirect. any ideas? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I think the primary topic here is a propane cannon used to keep deer away from eating agricultural crops such as Christmas trees, and should be refined to Bird scarer#Propane cannons, but deer are not currently mentioned there or at any related article I can find. The best solution would be include a mention there regarding their application to deer. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Dumps

Jim Dumps → Sunny Jim (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The redirect makes no sense. GMH Melbourne (talk) 09:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It should probably redirect to Force (cereal) now that I think about it. that article actually mentions "Jim Dumps". ―Howard • 🌽³³ 09:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Adishakti (TV series)

Adishakti (TV series) → List of channels owned by Sun TV Network (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Title implies a TV series, the target lists channel without the series in question. ToadetteEdit (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1770s in piracy

1770s in piracy → Timeline of piracy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No relevant content of piracy in the 1770s in target article. ToadetteEdit (talk) 14:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:G6. The history of 1730s in piracy shows this was apparently created in error. - Eureka Lott 15:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Origin landing platform

Blue Origin landing platform → Blue Origin landing platform ship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Disambiguate There are two Blue Origin landing platforms. A ship that was scrapped in 2022 (Landing Platform Vessel, aka "Jacklyn"), and a barge that was completed in 2024 (Landing Platform Vessel 1 aka "Jacklyn"). There may be future platforms on land, like SpaceX lands on land. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, clearly should be changed now. The current redirect was correct from 2018-2022, and arguably still was up until the time that Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin made public the info about their new barge to use for New Glenn landing attempts. Blue Origin had purchased a ship, rather than a barge, to use as a "Landing Platform Vessel" during the years 2018-2022. In fact, the ship was formally named LPV in the ship registration records for a time, prior to naming it Jacklyn in 2020, its final name, before owner Blue Origin decided to scrap the ship in 2022. I will get after correcting whichever of the titles and redirects I can to fix it. N2e (talk) 10:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could start with a dab page / SIA, and then expand into an article like the SpaceX ASDS article, if they build more than the two examples (scrapped one, extant one) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 11:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SafariScribe: thoughts? -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 11:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have fixed all the other/related disambig pages I could related to the multiple uses of the same marine vessel names by Blue Origin for a ship, and now, a barge. As for this particular redirect, with an active RFD underway, I would say this particular page named "Blue Origin landing platform" should go from being a redir to a disambig page. It should merely point to the ship Blue Orgin owned from 2018 to 2022 AND to the barge they own now, and which they intend to now use to land New Glenn booster stages beginning in 2025. N2e (talk) 11:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now, Landing Platform Vessel and Landing platform vessel lead to different targets; wouldn't that lead to the new disambig/SIA page? -- 64.229.88.34 (talk)

Disambiguate. Agree with IP editor 64.229.88.34. That is the correct thing, since the proper name is the two marine vessels Blue Orgin has owned, and the non-proper name title should go to floating launch/landing platforms more generally, which already has a Chinese vessel, and the SpaceX ones, and there will be many more in the coming years. I'm overloaded now and don't have the time to fix it. N2e (talk) 11:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate per above. ~ Matthewrb ^{Talk to me · Changes I've made} 14:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can fix it, as a WP:SNOW close might be in order here; but I'm unsure if the wiki rules allow me to fix it if I've given input on the RfD. N2e (talk) 19:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate, ie this page should be converted to a dab page under the existing name, currently with the two entries identified bu N2e further up. The LPV/Lpv pages also noted above by IP are not part of this RfD. - Davidships (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upper chest

Upper chest → Thorax (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Specific concept in question as such not detailed in given target. Hildeoc (talk) 08:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't think this is doing any harm as it is, and I can't think of a better target. "Chest" also redirects to thorax, if a reader is looking for something specific to the upper chest (e.g. Pectoralis major or nipple) the thorax article will appropriately get them there. Bestagon ⬡ 15:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resident Evil Re:Verse

Resident Evil Re:Verse → Resident Evil Village (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention about Reverse at the article. It was downloadable together with Village, yes; but it is still a completely different game. It doesn't help either when this was not mentioned at the article. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 08:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Las Vegas shooting

Las Vegas shooting → 2017 Las Vegas shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Vegas shooting → Las Vegas shooting (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Shouldn't this point at the same target as Las Vegas shooting? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Las Vegas shooting redirects to 2017 Las Vegas shooting, but it's been retargetted to the dab page a couple of times. I agree that the two redirects should target the same place, but I can't find evidence the latter's target has ever been discussed so it might be worth bundling that in here so we can get agreement what the best target is. Thryduulf (talk) 12:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget both to the disambiguation page. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my !vote. The arguments below have convinced me that both should point to 2017 Las Vegas shooting, which has a hatnote to the disambiguation page. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Target the disambiguation page -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget both to the dab page, should be apparent that that is the correct location. Bestagon ⬡ 16:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget "Vegas shooting" to 2017 Las Vegas shooting, keep "Las Vegas shooting": As the deadliest US mass shooting in over 100 years, the 2017 event is by far the most significant of the shootings occurring in Las Vegas. My search results for "Las Vegas shooting" overwhelmingly refer to the 2017 shooting, though I admit to only skimming the first eight pages.

Searching for "Vegas shooting" is a bit more complicated, because it automatically returns instances of "Las Vegas shooting". But the results were similar. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 15:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Retarget. The 2017 shooting certainly seems like the primary topic. If it's not, that should be decided via a WP:RM discussion to consider moving the Las Vegas shooting (disambiguation) to the base name Las Vegas shooting over the redirect. Retargeting to the dab would be result in a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page. The issue before us is whether Vegas shooting should target the same place as Las Vegas shooting or not, and it seems to me that it should, given that Vegas redirects to Las Vegas. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts

Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts → Jazz Jackrabbit 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the arguments to keep all the other nominated redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 10:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete seems like the title for a FAQ and WP:NOTFAQ don't mislead people into thinking they're heading for a FAQ -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and all "delete" !voters above. It seems like the title of a trivia webpage or something, and it might mislead users into thinking such even though the page technically contains such facts. Regards, SONIC 678 22:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wasp facts

Wasp facts → Wasp (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts; reverted page move leftover. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a plausible search term. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The existence of so many different "... facts" redirects indicates that actually this is a plausible search term. Furthermore it is harmless and leads the searcher to an article containing facts about wasps. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the redirect is nonsensical, given that there are thousands of Wikipedia articles about different kinds of wasps. Dyanega (talk) 20:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I am convinced by Thryduulf's argument. Cremastra (talk) 20:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Girlfriend hoax

Girlfriend hoax → Manti Te'o#Catfishing incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This could refer to so many other stories. Incredibly vague redirect. Delete. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 01:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

uh... weak retarget to bride scam or possibly catfishing? delete otherwise cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 04:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to catfishing. Fieari (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dekete could also refer to a fake girlfriend, like that Canadian girlfriend trope American like to use. Or an escort hired to pretend. Or hiring a girlfriend experience -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as vague --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Facts on Dallas, TX

Facts on Dallas, TX → Dallas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 27#Information about Stitch's cousins and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:PANDORA. Also note that Facts on Dallas doesn't exist (its on the AP Stylebook's big 30) or Facts on Dallas, Texas. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If someone wants facts about Dallas, TX then this redirect will take them exactly where they want to go making it plausible and useful. WP:OTHERSTUFF not existing is completely irrelevant, WP:PANDORA is harmfully misleading nonsense. Thryduulf (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Thryduulf. No harm is being done. If one person, presumably the creator, finds this useful, then good! It's Wikipedia:CHEAP. We're here to help people. These people, too. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Un assiolo The pageviews would appear to contradict you. Cremastra (talk) 12:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The ones in the past two weeks, which make up the bulk of the pageviews for the last 90 days, are presumably related to this nomination. I can't explain the four pageviews from July and August but they are fishy given how close to each other they are. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete seems like the title for a FAQ, and WP:NOTFAQ don't mislead people into thinking they're heading for a FAQ -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete seems too WP:INDISCRIMINATE for me. --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oasis Facts

Oasis Facts → Oasis (band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts; also currently does not refer unambiguously to the band. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:PANDORA and should go to the base name Oasis if kept. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Oasis or Oasis (disambiguation). This is a harmless, plausible search term and we have articles that will provide searchers with facts about oasis - however we should take them either to the primary topic or to the disambiguation page as they are more likely to be looking for facts about an Oasis other than the band. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to DAB per Thryduulf. No harm is being done here. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete seems too WP:INDISCRIMINATE for me. --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon facts

Dragon facts → Dragon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragon facts decided to redirect though deletion was equally possible. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as an improbable search term. This article existed for less than a day fourteen years ago, and seemed to be a junior-high first-person narrative of someone's understanding of a specific (but unidentified) fictional universe's dragons. Anyone looking for information about dragons would be better off without this in the list of possible search terms while typing "dragon". P Aculeius (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep harmless, plausible search term that leads readers to an article with facts about dragons. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Thryduulf. No harm is being done here. We're here to help people, including these ones. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete seems too WP:INDISCRIMINATE for me. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting facts

Interesting facts → Information overload (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This just seems confusing to me. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see talk page, retarget to ani (optional), and then delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 04:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see what the benefit of this would be considering the talk vandalism was originally from 2019 and February 2023. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fine, consider step 1 optional as well :( cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Trivia (which is what pretty much everything collection of "interesting facts" is) or delete as a second choice. Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Trivia per Thryduulf. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not everyone thinks trivia is interesting; and the current target is unrelated to the redirect name -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO trivia is quite a good target; it also aligns with the usage of "Interesting fact" and "Trivia" ~~clutter~~ sections on Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Trivia as a synonym for that page title. Fieari (talk) 05:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Trivia as closest potential target --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cancer Facts and Figures

Cancer Facts and Figures → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Cancer, which is where people will find facts and figures about cancer. Deletion is preferable to keeping as is, but retargetting is preferable to both. Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If Cancer contains any "figures", I can't find them. Saying that we have "figures" then sending readers to the top of an article that is almost 200KB in size is not helpful at all. Steel1943 (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Thryduulf. @Steel1943: there are plenty of figures, statistics, and facts in Cancer#Global perspective, as well as §Causes, §Epidemeology, and §Economic effect. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I meant that I gave up looking for them. The target page is so unwieldy regarding its subject matter that trying to find subtopics, especially those in multiple locations, can be confusing/annoying. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AuthServ

AuthServ → IRC services#Components (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Authserv → IRC services#Components (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Currently seems to be only mentioned at GameSurge#Services, but I'm not sure if that's the only IRC network with this service. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment other IRC networks use this, such as AfterNET [26] -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment other people use the term "AuthServe" in various different ways. like Akamai [27] uses it for authoritative DNS server. IBM for "authorization service", its a software package authentication service [28], it's also a BSD distro [29]. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and let the search engine find it. "authserv-id" appears in Email authentication -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per IP. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

E-boat (trailer sailer)

E-boat (trailer sailer) → Trailer sailer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Blanked and redirected by Justlettersandnumbers two days ago. According to their edit summary, its sole source doesn't even mention e-boats (it's offline so I can't verify that myself), which would mean there's nothing worth merging. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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University Institutes of Technology

University Institutes of Technology → University technical institute (France) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It's impossible to associate this term with a single subject, even though the french name is in plural too. NotAGenious (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The nomination is simply incorrect - every hit on Google for "University Institutes of Technology" -Wikipedia down to at least the middle of page 2 refer to University technical institutes in France (either the system or the institutions collectively, both of which are covered at the current target article). From the middle of page 2 there are some results for specific institutions of this type - the correct target for searches that generate that kind of result is the list of institutions, which in this case is located at the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On incognito mode, in order:

https://www.institutesoftechnology.org.uk/ (UK)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/institutes-of-technology--2/institutes-of-technology (UK)

https://www.tudublin.ie/ (UK)

https://classesinternationales.org/network-of-university-institutes-of-technology.php (France)

https://www.kth.se/en (Sweden)

https://www.uitrgpv.ac.in/ (India)

https://www.gatech.edu/ (USA)

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/best-technology-colleges/ (blog, USA) NotAGenious (talk) 11:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and tag as {{R from move}}. This redirect is the result of a move that happened just before the nominator proposed deletion. There are still dozens of internal links to the redirect. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almadina (school)

Almadina (school) → Calgary#School system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at target. There's definitely a school in Calgary called this [30], but that doesn't make this a helpful redirect. The name is also ambiguous with [31] [32] and [33], to name a few. I suggest deletion. Cremastra (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Alberta charter schools, where these schools are described. The schools in Alberta appear to be the only ones of this name represented in Wikipedia. If that changes, this can be pointed to the disambiguation page as a {{r from incomplete disambiguation}}. - Eureka Lott 21:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hastings East (Vancouver)

Hastings East (Vancouver) → Vancouver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at target. Could refer to East Hastings, or to a more general neighbourhood/area as in [34]. Thoughts? Cremastra (talk) 21:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't actually think deletion is the best option here. It's definitely an option, but it's not part of my nomination. Cremastra (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where would you suggest retargeting? We can also let the search results deal with it. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Patch-management

Patch-management → Patch management (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete redirect, not helpful for navigation. (Do I have the right 'closure' tag?) Tule-hog (talk) 21:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don't understand the nomination statement, but "not helpful for navigation" is definitely incorrect - this is a straightforward {{R from modification}}. Thryduulf (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably either {{R from alternative hyphenation}} or {{R from adjective}}. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not helpful in that its simply not used, no reason to have it anymore than there is reason for a specific redirect from Patch-ManAgEmenT. Tule-hog (talk) 02:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right riots

Far-right riots → 2024 United Kingdom riots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Wayyyy too vague for a redirect. There have been many far-right riots in history, such as the one in Charlottesville in 2017. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or retarget I cannot seem to find any page or section specifically about far-right rioting, the closest being the page on rioting. There is also Right-wing terrorism (which some of the UK riots has been described as by some people) and List of ethnic riots, but not all far-right rioting might be described as such. Xeroctic (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate if there are indeed more topics that cover far-right riots. CNC (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget - I think a few good sources to avoid WP:SYNTH would justify a paragraph/couple sentences at Riot#Classification as a type of 'political riot'. Tule-hog (talk) 23:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems the 'index' of riots is largely subsumed in the index found at Protest. Tule-hog (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig or retarget. I don't know what the best target for this highly plausible search term is, but it isn't one specific riot or set of riots so the current target is wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about Far-right terrorism as a redirect? -1ctinus📝🗨 13:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Far-right terrorism redirects to Right-wing terrorism so it's a good {{R from subtopic}}, however I don't see the connection to this discussion about Far-right riots? Most riots are not terrorism and most terrorism's only connection to rioting is tangential. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Order of vanishing

Order of vanishing → Zeros and poles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Multiplicity of a root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Multiple root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Simple root → Polynomial#Solving polynomial equations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Simple root (polynomial) → Polynomial#Solving polynomial equations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Simple zero → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Double root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Double roots → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Repeated roots → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I feel like there should be some consistency in these redirects, and it's not immediately obvious to me how. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They could all go to Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial, with the addition of a sentence or so to cover order of vanishing. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, Simple pole and Order of a pole (the latter created recently by me) also point at Zeros and poles; not sure if the multiplicity article would be more relevant here as well. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 19:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot comment on all of the items above. I agree for one item: Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial. Taweetham (talk) 23:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strawman (literal)

Strawman (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Straw man (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

weird case, this one. results are torn between every possible thing that can be and is referred to as a literal straw man (from scarecrows to straw men to straw man), and also donald trump. straw man (literal) was seemingly accidentally moved by a bot to avoid a double redirect, though its talk page still redirects to the dummy. opinions? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Straw man (disambiguation) is my first thought, and that does include a link to scarecrow (disambiguation). Treat it as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
seems good, i support retargeting it to straw man (disambiguation) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because the disambiguator makes no sense in terms on what available subjects are currently on Wikipedia. Steel1943 (talk) 14:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to sound repetitive but this comment again makes me go "eh?" - I don't understand how OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is at all relevant here? We have a plausible search term that people are apparently using but which could refer to multiple different articles. When that happens we disambiguate because multiple articles exist. What is rhetorical and literal is not subjective in this case - either something is a man made that is literally made of straw or it isn't. Someone using this search term knows they don't want the article about the type of argument or other figurative uses but they don't know that we have articles about multiple things that meet that description - and they should not be required to know that before being able to find the article they want. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy) per Tavix's findings. That works. Steel1943 (talk) 00:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Straw man (dummy), noting that this was the disambiguator used for that article from 2006–2008. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, per the article a scarecrow is a type of strawman. It's better to target the broader article. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Straw man (disambiguation) I am concerned about the accuracy of a redirect to Straw man (dummy). Our article on the logical fallacy of the same name states "The term's origins are a matter of debate, though the usage of the term in rhetoric suggests a human figure made of straw that is easy to knock down or destroy—such as a military training dummy, scarecrow, or effigy."

Straw man, even discounting the logical fallacy is used vaguely to refer to many literal topics. (You could even argue that the most literal interpretation of "straw man" is a man made of straws)

Whatever the reader is looking for by this ambiguous disambiguator, they'll find it in the DAB page. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to straw man (dummy) per Tavix. The broad-topic article that includes scarecrow is more useful and precies than the disambiguation, since the latter includes many non-literal straw men. Cremastra (talk) 15:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Operation Dryfront

Operation Dryfront → Operation Wetback (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, no Google hits. This seems to be the literal opposite of "wetback", which I doubt makes this a helpful redirect, so I propose it be deleted. ^Complex/_Rational 14:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I originally made it due to it being used to talk about the operation in the political space on twitch, primarily by hasanabi, as the term is considered a slur. If that's not enough for a redirect, fair enough. Emma0mb ^talk 18:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. While I'm only seeing one google hit for "operation dryfront" (but it wouldn't find uses in Twitch videos) and a couple more for "operation dry front", "dryfront" and "dry front" alone do get multiple uses in this context as ways to avoid using a slur. Indeed at least one use is to bypass a forum filter that prevented linking to an encyclopaedia article about the operation. While the redirect wasn't used between creation on 14 August and nomination, that's not a long enough time to reliably demonstrate how useful or otherwise the redirect is, especially when the target typically only gets a few hundred hits a day. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wmn

Wmn → Woman (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not sure how omitted vowels make this a plausible misspelling. Potentially this could be retargeted to the disambiguation page WMN, though all entries there are all-uppercase; otherwise, delete. ^Complex/_Rational 14:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to WMN. It seems to be fairly standard to have lower-cased redirects to TLAs. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per above. I added a lower-cased language code. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:07, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to WMN per the IP editor. While the nominator is correct that this is not a plausible misspelling, that's because it's not a misspelling - it's an intentional abbreviation. It's a plausible search term, but not the primary topic for those three letters though. Thryduulf (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to WMN per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laws of work

Laws of work → Thermodynamics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, and might also refer to Labour law. (Interestingly, work law does not exist as a redirect to that article.) 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. It is an uncommon term, and i dont think we lose anything by getting rid of it. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate between Thermodynamics and Labour law. Disambiguations are cheap enough to cover this cost. Work law should exist, as Employment law does. BD2412 T 03:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we're going to convert this to a disambiguation page, Laws of thermodynamics would probably be a better entry than Thermodynamics. - Eureka Lott 15:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DABify between Laws of thermodynamics and Labour law. A search in Google Scholar and other search engines show this term is used in both contexts frequently. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is not a term used in physics or thermodynamics, and I can't find it used for the laws of thermodynamics anywhere in a quick google search. Work is an important concept in thermodynamics, but only the first law of thermodynamics talks about work. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig per Ca's research. Thryduulf (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dabify per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate. Dab drafted below the redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Murloc

Murloc → Thrall (Warcraft)#Warcraft III (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not discussed at target with sufficient substance to warrant a redirect - the target section makes one passing mention with no context, leaving anyone who isn't a Warcraft fan more confused than they were before. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment would The Murlocs be a viable target? Also, you might want to consider adding Murlocs in this RfD. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine for Murlocs, and I've boldly retargeted it there rather than adding it to this discussion. I think it's too far off for the singular Murloc to be plausible, but definitely a better target than the current one. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games. The fictional creature was already listed there, but I went ahead and added a reference. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 03:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm fine with this retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  WP:Articles for deletion/List of piscine and amphibian humanoids * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Do nothing until the AfD concludes. Until we know the outcome of the AfD it's not worth spending any effort evaluating whether we should point this redirect there or not. Thryduulf (talk) 18:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crab angle

Crab angle → Course (navigation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Related to Crosswind_landing#Techniques? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Crosswind_landing#Techniques per nom. Seems like what users searching the term are seeking. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pi1

Pi1 → Oryza sativa#Pi1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Apparently also refers to Yudo Pi1. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate retarget to Π1 and add "Pi1" as one of the variants covered there. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Margaretville Railroad Station

Margaretville Railroad Station → Margaretville station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Margaretville Station → Delaware and Northern Railroad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Margaretville station → Delaware and Northern Railroad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at target. Perhaps there's a better target? Redirect is a result of an AFD discussion but I can't see the logic in redirecting to an article that doesn't contain any material on the search term. TarnishedPath^talk 09:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is part of why I originally nominated the article for deletion. It is completely uncited, which makes merging a non-option. despite it being closed as merge. Thus, I used the other consensus, and redirected.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per nom, but does the station even meet WP:NOTE? The only notable thing mentioned is an AMWAY and it's an WP:EASTEREGG. Unless I'm missing something it's a long demolished train station in a tiny town. This isn't really relevant to the official procedure, but I've got family in the area and Margaretville is lovely but tiny, even when the station existed it probably wasn't particularly notable. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 20:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also bundle Margaretville Station and Margaretville Railroad Station with this. Jay 💬 11:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all. The article itself is a real problem and a borderline copyright violation of the 1943 Railroad Magazine article. Mackensen (talk) 12:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd love to take a look at that magazine, but it looks like the article never had any citations. So that puts us at 4 reasons to delete: per nom, the fifteen years without a single citation, my question re: WP:NOTE, and now potential plagiarism. Just delete the lot of them. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 04:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multiplicities

Multiplicities → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unclear that this plural form would not be ambiguous the same way as Multiplicity. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 12:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The term is used in other disciplines but mathematics is by far the primary topic in my search results. A hatnote to the dab will suffice for those looking for other things. Thryduulf (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Is its use in other disciplines a carefully defined technical term belonging to those disciplines (as it is in mathematics) or is it just an ordinary word used in English? If the latter, then Multiplicity (mathematics) seems like the right target. Unless the page is to be moved to Multiplicity, in which case, if necessary, a hatnote could either direct the user to a disambiguation page or say "For the number of belly buttons a person has, see Multiplicity (omphalology)." Michael Hardy (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't know how "multiplicities" is used in other disciplines, but equally I don't know how that is relevant? The primary topic for the plural is very clearly the mathematical use, but that topic is correctly titled in the singular, therefore the status quo is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 14:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to DAB, the term "multiplicities" only appears once in Multiplicity (mathematics) but also appears in Multiplicity (chemistry) and in a footnote at Multiplicity (philosophy) and while Google does return the mathematics Wikipedia article first it also returns the philosophy article and I don't think like Orange v Oranges there is much of a difference between the singular v plural to have different targets per WP:PLURALPT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It does seem like the mathematical use in the primary topic. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And, add a {{Redirect}} hatnote to the dab page. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ETDA

ETDA → Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect was created as an obvious typo of the common name of the chemical, EDTA. However, "ETDA" has two legitimate meanings - the Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) (see UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records), and the Electronic Transactions Development Agency (see Surangkana Wayuparb). Neither of these has its own article, but the UK legislation, at least, has the potential to merit one. A standard {{redirect}} on the EDTA page is a possibility, but the resulting text will be long and potentially disruptive. My suggestion is therefore to add an ETDA section to EDTA (disambiguation) with entries for the UK law and the Thai government agency, but I don't know if this is fully compliant with our rules on DAB pages, and would like to discuss it before taking unilateral action. Tevildo (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - I think it should be redirected to one of the two article's subsections, with a {{Redirect-distinguish}} template added to the other article. I would rather this than maintaining the continued redirection to EDTA/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid that I had originally set up in 2007, 17 years ago when there were fewer overall articles on en.wikipedia, and there was a greater need to redirect such typos. My preference would be for Electronic Transactions Development Agency, as it actually uses the 'ETDA' acronym within the article (and as a section heading), while Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) does not use 'ETDA' as an acronym within the UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records article. Wiz9999 (talk) 09:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Surangkana Wayuparb#ETDA and add a {{Redirect-distinguish}} hatnote there per Wiz9999. In the spirit of MOS:DABACRO, this target is the only use of ETDA as an acronym on enwiki, so it should redirect there for now. Another option is a dab page, but I don't think we should weight a valid use and a misspelling equally for disambiguation purposes, unless there is evidence the misspelling is usually prevalent so as to rival the correct use. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 6

The BFG (1987 film)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Speako

Speako → Spoonerism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

seems to refer to speech errors in general, and not just spoonerisms. opinions? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AN/WLR-1

AN/WLR-1 → AN/SLQ-32 electronic warfare suite#Variants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The section redirect AN/WLR-1 targets a section of the article that mentions WLR-1 twice in passing. The redirect really serves no purpose and should be deleted. There are sources elsewhere that may be used to create a new article to cover the AN/WLR-1. — TadgStirkland⁴⁰¹ (Tadg^Talk) 22:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JD Vance couch "(word)"

JD Vance couch controversy → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
JD Vance couch hoax → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
JD Vance couch sex → JD Vance#Public perception (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
JD Vance's couch → JD Vance#Public reactions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in article Is la🏳️‍⚧ 21:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see any point in waiting, these are redirects without substantial history. They can simply be recreated if the material is re-added. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So ... the section doesn't exist and the word "couch" is currently nowhere in the target article. May be a borderline WP:BLP attack without context. Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion may need to be merged into #JD Vance's couch. Steel1943 (talk) 22:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can be redirected to Hillbilly_Elegy#Renewed_attention Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait to delete or retarget all until consensus about whether or not couch paragraph should be included in article is reached. At the present time, there is an ongoing discussion about whether or not the couch stuff should be mentioned in the JD Vance article. If it remains deleted in the JD Vance article, but continues to be included in the Hillbilly Elegy article, retarget to Hillbilly Elegy. _pbp 23:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per pbp. Thryduulf (talk) 08:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait; pbp is spot-on. BBQboffin^{grill me} 00:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per pbp. —Locke Cole • t • c 00:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per pbp. Enix150 (talk) 08:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sequel

Untitled The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sequel → The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 13 § Untitled The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sequel – keep

Target has not been untitled for 2 years now. Steel1943 (talk) 20:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete since nobody will be looking for that subject under the title anymore. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 16:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep contrary to the evidence-free speculation above, people are continuing to use this redirect (64 hits between January and the day before the nomination) and there is nothing else it could refer to. I can't explain why it's still proving useful after two years, but that's irrelevant because all that matters is that it is getting used. Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So 64/250 = ... is about 1 view every 4 days, hardly noise. You have yet to provide evidence why a {{R from incorrect name}} whose target came out 2 years ago, which is well over the traditional WP:UFILM threshold of 30 days, is accurate enough to supersede the extreme 2+ years of the title being erroneous and potentially causing readers harm if they are indeed looking for an untitled subject and arrive at a subject with a title. Steel1943 (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:DYKGIF

Wikipedia:DYKGIF → Template:Did you know nominations/Pronunciation of GIF (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 10#Wikipedia:GIF; there appears to be of questionable utility as a project namespace to a single DYK nomination is unlikely to be of substantial use. Hog Farm _Talk 20:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. This was a mistake I made a few years back.Gen. Quon_[Talk] 21:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Open Burning

Open Burning → Burn pit (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Recommend retargeting to Incineration, as this phrase refers to a much broader practice than the military practice discussed at the current target. Hog Farm _Talk 20:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or weak retarget to Open burning of waste. The subject of Incineration is about methods to dispose of materials that do not have affinity to "open" methods; the only place in the aforementioned article where the phrase "open burning" is mentioned is at Incinerator#Burn barrel, which is not the entirety of the article at all. The encyclopedia would probably be better off if this redirect led nowhere; however, Open burning of waste does exist, but that is not necessarily the only application of "open burning". Steel1943 (talk) 22:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The lowercase Open burning doesn't exist, likely due to the ambiguity discussed above, so delete this incorrectly capitalized version for now, at least until something (dab or redirect) exists at the sentence case version. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The game (the game)

The game (the game) → The Game (mind game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unnecessary duplication (unnecessary duplication). Implausible. Alongside this, congrats on losing the game! mwwv ^converse∫_edits 20:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget to The game#Sports and games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to the use of the definite article in the disambiguator. Second choice is to retarget to The game#Sports and games as {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} per Steeel1943. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This deletion nomination is just trolling? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think a WP:GF failure is a valid keep rationale. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (delete) as an WP:RDAB. I don't see anyone actually being helped by this. If kept, it should be retargeted per Steel. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RDAB does not apply here; there are technically no errors in the format and potential capitalization (and spelling) errors are irrelevant because it is not a variation of 'disambiguation'. For example, a redirect such as Band (band) would be appropriate for a band named 'Band'. Thus, we cannot write these off wholesale. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - the rationale for this redirect is that it is referring to the ambiguous phrase the game in the context of something that is specifically known as "the game". This seems at least somewhat plausible, and I don't see anything that would be gained by deletion - no evidence has been put forward that this redirect is causing actual harm. Hog Farm _Talk 14:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Master Levels

Master Levels → Doom II#Master Levels for Doom II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

surprisingly, doom 2 is the primary topic for this... just seemingly not to the extent that it completely drowns out results to other things that might use this relatively vague term. doom eternal also uses this name i guess cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. My research agrees that the current target is the primary topic, and is more common than all the other uses put together to the extent that no other meaning got more than 1 hit on the first three pages of search results and even when excluding "doom" from the search term most other results were passing collocations. If there is something else that this is a useful search term for then it can be included in a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This phrase also has particular affinity for some The Legend of Zelda games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Current target is a WP:PTM. The usage of the term in reference to Zelda is more of a search term than an official title. Deletion seems the way to go. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naga (Warcraft)

Naga (Warcraft) → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Warcraft#Azeroth but not really with enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games, where it is mentioned. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly that article itself should probably be sent to AfD. It's a pile of poorly-sourced trivia with no real focus, and if it were cleaned up properly it would probably no longer mention the naga. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Articles for deletion/List of piscine and amphibian humanoids * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne which seems to be the most detailed appearance on Wikipedia I have seen, including a bit of commentary from a secondary sources. (And seems to be the first appearance in the game series.) Daranios (talk) 14:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a better suggestion than mine. Prefer a refined target of #Settings and characters though. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Godsy: Usually I am in favor of such a refinement, but in this case the preceding section #Gameplay already has relevant information on the naga - which might be overlooked by an interested reader if we point them further down - and so do sections further down. So here I would prefer to just link to the article. Daranios (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Daranios: I still prefer the refined target because it defines a 'naga' as opposed to describing their introduction into the specific game at hand. Keep in mind that the (Warcraft) disambiguator may designate the Warcraft universe, not merely the origin series of games. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Godsy: Let me bracket that with, I think that's a minor point and I would have no problem with either solution. And I see your point, the brief definition you are referring to being "the Naga are mutated former Night Elves" I assume. But I still prefer not to link to #Settings and characters, because #Gameplay also has a very brief definition: The sentence "Two new Factions, the Naga and Draenei, have also been added [in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne]." contains the information "the Naga are a Faction in the Warcraft franchise". That may be even more basic, but that does not have to be a drawback. And the definition in #Setting is an in-universe one - and I would be the last person to say that this is not valid and valuable to the reader - while the one in #Gameplay is real-world related. So both have their worth and I do not think we should point the reader to the one further down with the risk of overlooking the one further up. Daranios (talk) 06:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kiss-in

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft retarget

Automatic MatchMaker

Automatic MatchMaker → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

{{R from merge}} but no longer mentioned at the target at all. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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oh, because it was made literally 2 minutes after the day rolled around. that's pretty funny

i guess retarget to matchmaking (video games), since the name could refer to whatever flavor of matchmaking there cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to matchmaking (video games) which is clearly the primary target. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 11:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Real people

Real people → Real People (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Real people" is a very vague phrase. Usually, it would refer to people that are also real. However, the current target is also quite surprising. I suggest retargeting to either people or Real People (disambiguation). Duckmather (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I took the liberty of tagging the redirect as {{r from ambiguous}}, that's all that needed doing. Paradoctor (talk) 22:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paradoctor: that tag is not correct as things stand: it should only be used for redirects to disambiguation pages but it currently targets an article. If the current target (a TV series) is kept it is a {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}, which I've replaced it with. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity? Because that is needed. {{r from ambiguous term to primary topic}}? Paradoctor (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a primary topic it is not ambiguous, the redirect should point to that article and links to the redirect do not need disambiguating. Use {{R to other capitalisation}}, {{R from modification}}, etc, etc. depending what fits.

If there is no primary topic the redirect should lead to a disambiguation page and links to it do need disambiguating. Use {{R from ambiguous term}}. Thryduulf (talk) 13:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a primary topic it is not ambiguous Ok, so "Real people" can mean the TV series Real People, but not, say, Real People (album)? Paradoctor (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. I'm saying that if there is a primary topic for "Real people" then the redirect should lead to that primary topic and not all links to the redirect need to be disambiguated. However if there is no primary topic then the redirect should point to the disambiguation page and all links will need to be disambiguated. I am not expressing any opinion about which alternative is correct, just that the Rcat needs to match the status quo, which is a redirect to a single topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If "Real people" can mean either of Real People or Real People (album), then "Real people" is ambiguous, and needs to be tagged as such. That is the question I had asked you: So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity? Or did I cross some mirror along the way? Paradoctor (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no tag to indicate the ambiguity of a redirect that targets anything other than a disambiguation page. In the same way there is nothing in the metadata to indicate that Real People is ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 22:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that seems to be a problem, then, ain't it? Paradoctor (talk) 22:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why? All it would tell you is "some incoming links might be for the wrong target", but that's true for every page. It doesn't tell you that a separate disambiguation page exists (because a single hatnote might cover all the other uses) or, if it does, what title it is at. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's true for every page 🤦 Paradoctor (talk) 01:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your comment. Every page on Wikipedia, whether the title is ambiguous or not, that has incoming links might have some that are not actually intended for that page. Not wanting the primary topic is one reason (whether the link is via a redirect or direct to the article), but content being moved or removed, misunderstanding, misconceptions, vandalism, typos, misclicking the wrong entry in a list, intending a topic that hasn't been written (possibly due to non-notability), and possibly other reasons all exist too. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your comment. Let's just say I'm tired, and leave it at that. Paradoctor (talk) 12:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Real People (disambiguation). Too vague to refer to People since it could also refer to Person. Not all people/persons are "real". WP:DIFFCAPS definitely applies here to retarget the lowercase variant away from the current target, and to allow readers to figure out what they are intending to find when typing the lowercase variant. (Heck, I'd go as far as to say the current de facto primary topic at Real People needs to be displaced to move Real People (disambiguation) to that title, but that's a discussion for another day.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to disambiguation per the above. Cremastra (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a {{r from miscapitalization}}. All of the items on the disambiguation page are proper names, so this should point to the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the title. If the community decides there is no primary topic and moves the disambiguation page, this should still point to the base title. - Eureka Lott 20:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The monkey wrench that I'm going to throw into that statement is that Realpeople uses a lowercase "p". Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or keep?
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Weak retarget to DAB page given Realpeople. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If the capitalized title has a PTOPIC, then let the uncapitalized redirect go there. And if one of the non-PTOPICS were meant instead, then the hatnote to the dab page will get the reader there just the same as if they had entered the name capitalized instead. I don't think that the one oddball lower-case-but-single-word really makes much of a difference this time. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to the dab page and let the readers find what they prefer to look for --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code phrase

Code phrase → Euphemism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

vague? could refer to passwords or code words, for starters cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to code word (figure of speech) appears right, with a hatnote to passphrase. Euphemism is way too broad to serve as target. Paradoctor (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per Paradoctor, "euphemisim" is too broad and imprecise; code word (a disambiguation page) seems to cover all the options here, and is my preferred new target, rather than trying to cover contingencies with hatnotes. "Hooray, hooray, for the spinster's sister's daughter!" Cremastra (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Retarget to Code word (figure of speech)? Or to Code word?
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Retarget to Code word (figure of speech). The code word disambiguation page actually doesn't have any targets besides this one that fit a code phrase... the other links have to do with the exact match of "code word", like boardgames and puzzles by that name. While the DAB page does have this link, I don't see any reason to send our searcher there. Fieari (talk) 05:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MetaphoR

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Flight Swissair 11, the victim plane of the Swissair 111 accident, that had been caused by fire.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Old Confederacy

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Artwork at the World Trade Center

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

You Decide on the Adventure

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

September 4

Australia 2032

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Chengdu Airport

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Magik (film)

Magik (film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Magik (2015 film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Situation I haven't run into here: This was a BLAR to an article that does not currently mention the subject, but restoring the article would go against WP:NFF, which means there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that the article would survive AfD. I think the best approach is restore article but draftify, which is the better way to incubate something in development hell anyways. (Normally I wouldn't take something to RfD just to !vote restore, since anyone can do that, but if I were to unilaterally restore and draftify I feel like that would be backdoor deletion of the redirect.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 00:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restore/Draftify per nom. You make a good case for it, and I appreciate the reasoning for going through the RfD process. Fieari (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although back in 2018 and 2019 it was restored twice so I think it probably should be restored and sent to AFD per WP:BLA and if it is desired to disambiguate (if the 2024 one is different) then the edit history should be moved to Magik (2018 film) and redirected to Magik (disambiguation) per WP:INCDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bundling the related redirect Magik (2015 film). Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Draftify or AfD after restoration?
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Comment - Well, this is really two separate issues. The draft(s) can be restored and draftified, if desired. What needs to be determined here is: Are these appropriate titles to point (i.e redirect) to targets in the mainspace? — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 18:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per WP:NFF as the nom points out. This looks like a film that was shelved a long time ago. Unless there has been any recent updates there is no point in draftifying it because it'll just be deleted six months down the road. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given how long ago we're talking, I feel rather confident that there will be no updates in the next six months. Even if I'm wrong, I would rather deleted history be in mainspace rather than draftspace. The edit history would be less 'hidden' there because casual editors aren't as familiar with draftspace. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or draftify?
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Delete Magik (2015 film) at least – it has no meaningful page history and the year disambiguator doesn't apply anymore. Probably delete Magik (film) as well since there is very little chance the film will ever be made or be notable enough as an unmade film to have its own article. I don't see the point in draftifying it. Also, the current target is confusing. Mclay1 (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore and send to AfD as a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: One more try to form consensus...
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Couch sex

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Silly mountain

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: move

Autofire

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

One-up

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Moravec s paradox

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

John Biden

John Biden → Joe Biden (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Tagged as a misspelling but I don't believe this to be a likely or expected typo. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - maybe not super common (and arguably, we only have a few weeks since creation of the redirect) - but it appears it is not zero, so I'd say there is no harm in keeping the redirect around since redirects are WP:CHEAP if there is no other more notable John Biden that it should point to instead. We should just tag it as non-printworth, which I'll do now. Raladic (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not a misspelling or typo, but a misremembering of the name that gets more results than I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not Joe Biden's name, not a typo, has never been misrepresented as or called "John" in his life, no mention of it in the article. Thus no justification for a redirect. Not everything on the Wikipedia can be stupid-proofed, if a reader cannot differentiate John vs. Joe, that is to low of a bar to play to. Zaathras (talk) 21:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Uncommon, potentially WP:BLP erroneous name that blocks Wikipedia's search function from displaying any information we may have on any actual "John Biden" subjects. Steel1943 (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete My searches don't turn up enough uses to convince me this is a common error. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

we have Joe Bidon, Jo Biden, Joel Biden, Joe bidne, Jose Biden, Joe Bydin, Joe Bidin... why not John Biden? Specially cause Jo is the same syllable as John in English (a stress-timed language). Web-julio (talk) 16:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's also not uncommon where I live to refer to him as John: [35] [36] [37].

I believe it's mainly cause the word Joe is uncommon here. Web-julio (talk) 16:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Family of Joe Biden where a "John Biden" ancestor is mentioned. Anybody looking for Joe Biden himself has easy access to the Joe Biden article from there. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget per Tavix
Web-julio (talk) 19:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per Tavix. C F A 💬 23:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kondan (24°48′N 95°2′E)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Vanguard Entertainment

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Moldorm

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders

Aušautas

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Aušautas

Aušlavis

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Aušlavis

Diedievaite

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Diedievaite

Bute (mythology)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Karorius

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Karorius

Ringie

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Ringie

Ǝ́

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Ǝ́

Nerubian

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Nerubian

Hozen

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Undermine (Warcraft)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Undermine (Warcraft)

High Council of Lordaeron

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Vashj'ir

Vashj'ir → Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is one of a handful of primary locations introduced with the expansion. Should already be mentioned. It is not arcane cruft. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 06:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 14:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blademaster (Warcraft)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Death Knight (Warcraft III)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Adam Angligena

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Adam Angligena

OoX

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#OoX

Arakkoa

Arakkoa → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Minor plot element not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the creator, happy for this to die. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional birds or one of it subsets, if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Arakkoa have enough sourcing for a mention, see here. I'd say it should probably be mentioned in and retargeted to World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor, which introduced the Spires of Arak area with a lot of Arakkoa characters, I'm just not sure where. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Mention not yet added to List of fictional birds or World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor.
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Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

V̂

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 11#V̂

Terrorblade

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 11#Terrorblade

Banehallow

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2017 PGL Open Bucharest

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Death Prophet

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 11#Death Prophet

Yabbying

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Looting the seas

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Priestess of the Moon

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Priestess of the Moon

SL i-League Invitational Season 3

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Esyllabus

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Esyllabus

Notional-functional syllabus

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Notional-functional syllabus

Gogaku

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Chapter Two: MADMAX

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G7

Melbourne Commonwealth Games (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: deleted under WP:CSD G14 criteria

Slap Pack

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

-U-

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

,la

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

1958 Independent Air Travel Vickers Viking crasb

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6. Uambiguously created in error.

Dingle Ridge, New York

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Demonstation

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Demonstation

Remonstrance

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: set indexify

November 12, 2001

November 12, 2001 → American Airlines Flight 587 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not sure if American Airlines Flight 587 is the primary topic or if this should be redirected to November 12 or 2001#November. C F A 💬 16:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This doesn't seem like a plausible search term for the target. The redirect was recently created and there are no links, so I don't really see a need to retarget either. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Similar RfDs have happened in the past which resulted in one of the previously mentioned targets, November 12 or 2001#November, being the optimal choice, but I cannot recall which one at the moment nor can I find the discussion(s). Either way, do not keep. Steel1943 (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to 2001#November where there are multiple entries for that date. For some reason American Airlines Flight 587 wasn't even listed there but I have corrected that. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per @Presidentman. Worthless redirect. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

🎣

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Niggling

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Niggling

Super Mario RPG 2

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Whoopsie daisy

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Whoopsie daisy

September 1

Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents

Transversally elliptic operator

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

411Mania

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G7.

Father of the Constitution

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Wikipedia:Writ of Wikimedius

Wikipedia:Writ of Wikimedius → Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

In 2004, was moved to User:Alex756/Writ of Wikimedius, and retargeted to WP:ARBCOM. Now, there are four uses of "wikimedius" across all of the Wikipedia namespace, and 3/4 are this redirect, and two related discussions for deletion. (The only other mention of Wikimedius is the genus of WP:WikiDodo.) It is not clear how this title has any relation to ArbCom, without already knowing about Alex's essay. And, if Alex's essay is known, such a person would be highly familiar with WP:ARBCOM and comfortable using one of the several likely shortcuts, instead of spelling out "Writ of Wikimedius" perfectly to navigate here. Deletion is preferable, I think; twenty years after the foundation of the Arbitration Committee, it does not seem necessary to have a WP-space redirect to userspace for a seemingly unendorsed objection essay. But perhaps there are some elucidating threads about the 2004 context which I'm missing, which could prompt a retarget result. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I almost speedy deleted this but the nomination raises the issue that there might be some 2004-level context that would explain why we should keep this. It's a fair point to ask about but I find it unlikely and feel like delete is the most reasonable outcome here. A lot of goofy stuff happened in the early days of the project, things that would certainly not fly today, and this seems to be an artifact of that time. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a joke that isn't funny anymore, absent any highly unlikely evidence coming forth that there is still a good reason for it. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Based on subsequent comments, I have no objection to retargeting, instead. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to User:Alex756/Writ of Wikimedius, harmless. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per 1234... Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I remember this. It was ridiculous at the time and never should have been allowed in the moment let alone kept for posterity. Uninvited Company 01:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget as harmless. C F A 💬 22:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

pokémon indexer

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

pokénav

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Eight dash ball

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

HIALS

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Deer cannon

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Deer cannon

Kevin Tucker (anarchist)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Quackifier

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bodo languages (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Brotherhood of Shadow

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

F. Fitzgerald

F. Fitzgerald → F. Scott Fitzgerald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. Or redirect to FitzGerald (surname). jnestorius^(talk) 02:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Someone entering this title is probably looking for F. Scott Fitzgerald, but the omission doesn't seem to have affinity (AFAICT he was never referred to as "F. Fitzgerald"). If you search for "F. Fitzgerald", F. Scott Fitzgerald is the first result, so the redirect doesn't have much navigational value either. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Kablammo (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Very clearly the primary topic, and there are hatnotes to others who might be searched for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very clearly not the primary topic in Ireland, where the name FitzGerald originates. There is currently no hatnote for F. Fitzgerald on the F. Scott Fitzgerald article. One would need to add F. Fitzgerald (disambiguation) as a redirect to Fitzgerald (surname)#F in order to pick up Fern Fitzgerald and Frances FitzGerald (disambiguation). I would oppose any such hatnote as it would clutter the article and invite the inference that "F. Fitzgerald" is a reasonably common way to refer to "F. Scott Fitzgerald" as opposed to a very rare way. jnestorius^(talk) 21:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Thruduulf. It does not lack affinity, by the way, as excluding a middle name is a reasonable thing to do in many cases. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 21:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jlwoodwa: Affinity applies to things like a period at the end of a title, being in quotes, etc. In other words, an error that could apply to almost absolutely any title. A title without a middle name only applies to names, and furthermore only names including a middle name. It is always reasonable to leave out a middle name for a redirect, as long as there is no ambiguity in what's covered (or there is a primary topic as in this case). I would support that every single time. I would not support every single title having a redirect from that title in quotes or with a full stop at the end and so forth. Affinity is in regard to much broader variants, not specific ones like this. This situation clearly does not apply to every title (or a vastly broad enough swath of titles). Even if it did, it would still be appropriate all the time, rendering affinity double moot. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 09:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does seem to be occasionally used in product listings and non-RS. If there were usage of the term to refer to anyone else, that low-quality usage wouldn't be weighted very strongly, but the only search results I see are spurious ones about John F. Fitzgerald. (The sources still write out the entirety of "John F. Fitzgerald"; Google just includes them because the substring matches.) Limited usage trumps no usage, so keep. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius^(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Ms F. Fitzgerald", references to Frances Fitzgerald (politician) in Dáil proceedings jnestorius^(talk) 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added Fionn Fitzgerald (born 1990), Irish football player, to the surname page. BD2412 T 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Fitzgerald (surname) per nom. Multiple Fitzgeralds with 'F' firstnames. Jay 💬 10:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, F. Scott is the primary topic but some readers may forget the 'Scott' so this redirect acts as a memory aid. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to FitzGerald (surname) per nom. Like jnestorius, I am concerned about this redirect giving the impression that it's an established alternative name for the writer. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paris Olympics

Paris Olympics → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Paris Olympic Games → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 27 § Paris Olympics – withdrawn

The Olympics are over now. Disambiguate. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. Los Angeles Olympics would be the same after the 2028 Games conclude. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: per nom. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per Tavix (though that article's lead is somewhat poorly written). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support disambiguation per nom. Merge Paris hosting the Olympic Games into its respective articles; there is nothing in common between 1900 & 1924 and 2024 except the city. It doesn't warrant an article. IntGrah (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support this – IntGrah (talk) 14:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support disambiguation of Paris Olympics per the nomination and prior discussion. There is strong precedent with Los Angeles Olympics, Salt Lake City Olympics, Lake Placid Olympics, Beijing Olympics, Innsbruck Olympics, Tokyo Olympics, etc. However, the ambiguous term Paris Olympic Games should not redirect to the 2024 instance, but rather to the Paris Olympics disambiguation, effectively restoring the prior redirect there. (A bot recently "fixed" the double-redirect there that would not have existed in the first place if Paris Olympics had been a proper WP:DAB from the start, in line with precedent.) --Tim Parenti (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to disambiguation page - Since Paris has hosted three Olympiads, it should be a dab between the three. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 18:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate by restoring this version and moving it back to Paris Olympics, as suggested by Tavix. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for finding this old version. I hadn't realized that Paris Olympics had been a proper disambiguation page at some point in the past, so your proposal is now my preferred mechanism for its restoration. --Tim Parenti (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Make into a dis-ambiguation page the same way it was done successfully with London Olympics. Georgia guy (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games which is a broad-concept article and is the disambiguation page. Disambiguation pages should not duplicate BCAs unless there are additional meanings. C F A 💬 02:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As has been pointed out above, Paris hosting the Olympic Games once was a disambiguation page in this old version, before an attempt was made to convert it into an article. However, nothing that is said in any of its sections is not already said (or could not easily be said) in the corresponding article, typically in the lede. Because it merely duplicates the articles it references, it has gone out-of-date in several places — most obviously the over-detailed 2024 section, but also, e.g., updates to the number of athletes who participated in 1900. As it does nothing to actually cover the "relationship between a wide range of related concepts", it is not a proper WP:BCA and is simply duplicative where a WP:DAB would do. --Tim Parenti (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I think the article just needs to be cleaned up. This is a reasonable topic for a broad-concept article. C F A 💬 16:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support DAB per nom, like the discussion at London Olympics, the Paris hosting the Olympic Games should be merged with their articles, and converted/redirected to a DAB. Dank Jae 18:14, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games per CFA. If there is concern with that page, list at AfD / restore disambiguated version / add merge tags. Jay 💬 10:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Disambiguate or retarget?
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Lauren Sturtevant

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Jim Dumps

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Jim Dumps

8 Ball Pool

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Zhujianbu

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Bovinaephagia

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Tom Ealham

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Tuar

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Yuvraj Samra

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Yes Weekend!

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Muhajir Province

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Muhajir Province

2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament

2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament → NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The men's tournament is scheduled to be there. I'm happy to withdraw if it is shown that the women's tournament is also set in the same place. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There's no relevant information at the target, except that it's apparently scheduled to take place at a specific stadium, which is unsourced. I think this is too far in the future with too little information at the target to be useful. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a case of no sourcing at the target, not a redirect concern. Agree that there is no information other than the stadium name. Jay 💬 18:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethan Herisse

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Ethan Herisse

Xwitter

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

Making Strides Against Breast Cancer

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Colleges Against Cancer

Colleges Against Cancer → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, but occurs in the lead of American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network (from where it is also linked though). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was mentioned in the lead of the affiliate, but not in the article body. I moved it down to a section. May be retargeted, and unlinked there. Jay 💬 12:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts

Isle of White Facts

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Wasp facts

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Wasp facts

Girlfriend hoax

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Girlfriend hoax

Math facts

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Facts on Dallas, TX

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Facts on Dallas, TX

Oasis Facts

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Oasis Facts

Dragon facts

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Dragon facts

Interesting facts

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Interesting facts

Facing the facts

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Cancer Facts and Figures

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Cancer Facts and Figures

Pg (elliptic function)

Pg (elliptic function) → Jacobi elliptic functions#pg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Target mentions no "pg". 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm not a mathematician, but I double checked the article state at the time this redirect was created and found no references to "pg" there at all... however, back then, and now, the article is full of discussion about "pq" instead. My best guess is that this was an attempt at a redirect for a typo (except that the target is to a non-existent section, both then and now?). Given that I'm not a mathematician, I will make no commentary on how likely a typo this would be... I suspect mathematicians would be more careful and precise, but maybe this redirect would be helpful for an inattentive math student in university, or to a student of a professor with bad handwriting on the chalkboard? Fieari (talk) 05:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Notifying User:matthiaspaul who created the redirect and is still active. Can you clarify what the intention was here? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiimake

Wiimake → Video game remake (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Neologism not mentioned in the target. The term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see it (and the alternate "Wii-make") being used in some news coverage, most prominently "The Case for Wiimakes", but not nearly enough that it would demand usage in the target article or anything. Not sure it does any harm, but the use case seems limited as well. I guess I lean toward deletion, but not strongly. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i would ALMOST suggest retargeting to the vaguely klonoa-shaped travesty we were cursed with in 2008 as a half-joke, as that seems to be the primary topic for the entire term (not for a good reason, mind you), but that'd be cheap. as is, no idea if it would be better to retarget it to some list of wii games, add a mention there, or delete, but i'll stick with adding a mention for now cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: term is mentioned in reliable sources (Nintendo Life, Wired, eurogamer.net). No reason to delete. Obviously not notable on its own but a redirect is warranted. I would support a mention at Video game remake or elsewhere, but that is not needed for this to be kept. C F A 💬 20:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Nintendo Wii and mention the phenomenon somewhere. It's an actual slang term formerly used for porting games to Wii while adding motion controls. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unless a mention is added. If we don't have it, we don't have it. Don't leave readers scratching their heads trying to figure out why they arrived to any article which does not mention the term. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that Wii Remakes redirects to New Play Control!. Jay 💬 16:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete both it and Wii Remakes, without prejudice to recreating both of them if and only if a mention is added to the Wii article, or a similar/adjacent article. We don't currently have information on this subject, so redlink it until such time as we do. Fieari (talk) 07:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 31

Koi Mil Gaya 2

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Vegas shooting

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Vegas shooting

Canada.

Canada. → Canada (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Appending a full stop is an WP:UNNATURAL error. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 22:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: harmless and WP:CHEAP. Gets steady pageviews. Cremastra (talk) 00:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cremastra. This got 113 hits last year and 60 so far this year indicating that it's a useful term. Given that its unambiguous and harmless there is no reason to delete. Thryduulf (talk) 12:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:RTYPO. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete: wp:rtypo (and around 15% of wp:costly, but NOT the pandora part) seems to take priority over wp:cheap in cases like this, and there's precedent to just delete those outright, like this example from a few months ago cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Other harmless redirects being deleted does not compel us to make the same mistake again. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
see unnatural linked above for why i disagree with calling this a "mistake" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per precedence in other RfD discussions which have occurred over the years regarding erroneous/unnecessary full stops. Best keep it consistent. Steel1943 (talk) 21:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:UNNATURAL, per everyone else. If you want "Article." to redirect to "Article", that should be done at the MediaWiki level, and Phabricator is thataway. But I still think it's better to have this as a redlink to make it more immediately obvious to the editor that they made a (subtle, not immediately spottable) mistake so that it can be fixed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per WP:CHEAP, as it's harmless and objectively useful to people, given the pageviews. Note that being useful to someone is expressly listed as a valid keep reason for RFDs. Fieari (talk) 05:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure you can conclude that it's "objectively useful" from a trickle of pageviews, because there's no way to know how someone got sent to the redirect in the first place. And as I said just above, I don't think this one is truly harmless, because it obscures a markup/MOS error that an editor might make. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Markup and MOS errors would be trivially detectable by using whatlinkshere and are never a reason to make it harder for readers to find the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it's linked to thrice outside of the context of this rfd nomination, evidently by accident every time cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing the point. If this redirect exists, anyone that accidentally makes a new (incorrect) link to "Canada." is likely to not notice it because it'll show up as a blue link, whereas if the redirect doesn't exist, it'll show up as red, making the error much easier to spot immediately. Thus, this redirect is harmful. And "what links here" is fine to correct existing errors, but it won't help for spotting new ones, as no one is going to check it regularly. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and cogsan. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:CHEAP as harmless. C F A 💬 22:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per WP:UNNATURAL, WP:PANDORA, and based on past precedent at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 6#Recently created redirects with a full stop at the end and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 9#Redirects with trailing.. What use is having a period at the end of the word? Does it get views because it comes up in search, or because it's actually useful? I'd wager it's because it comes up ahead of Canada.ca and Canada.com Hey man im josh (talk) 18:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made a list of some past discussions I found that resulted in deletion relating to ending in an extra period:
I try to create these types of lists in a spreadsheet that I use for RfD discussions, so I just searched around and found the above. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because we deleted similar redirects previously (that in many cases likely harmed the encyclopaedia for our readers by removing useful redirects) does not mean we need to delete this useful redirect and harm the encyclopaedia even more. WP:PANDORA is harmfully misleading and not a reason to do anything other than remind people citing it that it is nothing more than a mix of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CYRSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, just because they've been deleted in the past doesn't mean it's always appropriate. I recognize that most of those were not very well attended. But I do think that Wikipedia.'s deletion dealt the final blow to this style of redirect. I just don't believe these style of redirects are helpful. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As noted in the Flag of the District of Columbia. discussion I would add a point that the title with the full stop may suggest the word "Canada" alone is an abbreviation for something though that discussion may be slightly different due to Washington, D.C. having the abbreviation I think the point still applies thus I would question if such redirects are harmless and unambiguous and RFD#DELETE item 2 may apply. Although not that likely the likes of Canada.ca and Canada.com as noted above could potentially cause confusion which is also an additional factor. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is nothing about the country of Canada that warrants a punctuation mark at the end, and there is no discussion of any topic/slogan/campaign that might allow this to be natural. Therefore unnatural, delete. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per precedence per Steel, and per Crouch and Utopes. Jay 💬 15:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deputy Chief of Staff

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: setindexfy

Hannon, Ontario

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Hastings East (Vancouver)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#Hastings East (Vancouver)

Academy, Alberta

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Almadina (school)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#Almadina (school)

Woodridge, Ottawa River, Canada

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Cedardale, Ottawa

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

🆥

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 10#🆥

Elite slaves

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Canadialand

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Krish 1

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Rubber latex

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Predictions of the end of Facebook

Predictions of the end of Facebook → Facebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Predictions of the end of Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

If a reader typing predictions of t into the search bar (after seeing such an article for Google or Wikipedia) stumbles upon a page like Predictions of the end of X which redirects to X social media platform, they may be given the potentially false impression that the article on X may contain information about such predictions and may end up wasting their time scrolling through the article only to potentially conclude that no such information may be present. Sure, they were "merged" into their respective articles, but their poor usefulness is still a problem. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep End of Facebook and refine to Facebook#Userbase, the last paragraph of which has content on predictions of the end of Facebook. Weirdly enough I can't actually find anything like that for Twitter, despite the widespread doomposting after Musk bought it, but I would expect it would be worth a sentence or two at least in Twitter under Elon Musk or Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Rusalkii (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep of Facebook one: mentioned but I don't think it's that plausible a search term, nor something it makes sense to link to from other articles, but it does no harm. Delete Twitter one unless mentioned somewhere, in which case (weakly) keep or retarget as appropriate. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii, above. Delete twitter one, it can be recreated if/once information about the many news articles speculating about the end of twitter under Elon is added to an article. Fieari (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verenigd Koninkrijk

Verenigd Koninkrijk → United Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 18 § Verenigd Koninkrijk – Keep
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 March 19 § Reino Unido – no consensus
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 17 § Regno Unito – No consensus

Delete per WP:RLANG – Dutch name for the United Kingdom. Cremastra (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Dutch exonyms#United Kingdom where it's mentioned. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do not keep per everyone who has participate thus far in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Volcanoe facts

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Sufferin' succotash

Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suffering succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ [Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".

I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions: Would this nomination include Suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? — AjaxSmack 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to favour search results. Its mention as an example in a game show would not be an appropriate target. Note that Succotash#In popular culture also could have been a target. In fact, the redirect was created in 2013 to target that page. Also I'm bundling suffering succotash per AjaxSmack. Jay 💬 09:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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University Institutes of Technology

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#University Institutes of Technology

The Switch

The Switch → Nintendo Switch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Oh noes. An editor changed the target redirect to the video game console Nintendo Switch from the longstanding common household item switch (as in light switch, etc.). Maybe a redirect to the dab page would be necessary as both entries have no primary topic. ScarletViolet t c 10:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, since the release of the Nintendo Switch, its been pointing to the dab page. It's also very unusual for those typing "The Switch" when they are looking for the page switch because its unlikely would include the definite article and also because most people do it in all lowercase. I also note that the video game console gets way more views than films titled "The Switch" ~~but idk if people actually type "The Switch" looking for the console~~. Just like someone typing "The Tube" is likely looking for the London Underground metro system (it currently redirects there) than the normal article about various types of tubes at tube (disambiguation) JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Retarget to Switch (disambiguation) tbh. that one also has switches that are the cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget back to the dab page. Looking for what is actually the primary topic here (rather than just blindly assuming as those above appear to have done) we find that there are three topics that have Wikipedia articles that could be primary: The Switch (2010 film), The Switch (1967 film) and The Switch (TV series), but none of them are clearly primary over the others so the dab page is best. Thryduulf (talk) 14:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to DAB. There are multiple possibilities to what the searcher could be looking for, let's help them out. Fieari (talk) 05:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to close this discussion, and understood that all participants are supporting the nomination. Then checked the history of the redirect and saw that it was JuniperChill who had changed the target to the game with summary surely the Nintendo Switch is primary for this term. I re-read JuniperChill's comment multiple times, and I'm unsure about the stand of the editor, especially the part about idk if people actually type "The Switch" looking for the console. Jay 💬 15:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if I got this comment here mixed up with my edit summary as I must have forgotten what I said when I changed the redirect target. My stance is that when people type "The Switch", they are likely looking for the Nintendo Switch. If they type "the switch", they are likely looking for the general term. I have also added a link above stating that the console gets 10x the views as The Switch (2010 film) and other films titled "The Switch" get virtually nothing. I have also crossed out the part to prevent any confusion. JuniperChill (talk) 15:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FuBl 2

FuBl 2 → Instrument landing system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Is this referring to the differently capitalised "FuBL 2" at Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II#Navigation_and_direction_finding? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 02:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Move to FuBL 2 or Delete. Jay 💬 11:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crab angle

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#Crab angle

True democracy

True democracy → Direct democracy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The term "true democracy" is used to promote all kinds of reforms, with no one type of reform being the primary topic (I checked both Google web search and Google book search). Hence, convert to DAB with four entries: "any form of democratization", "any type of electoral reform", "scoring well on Democracy indices", and True Democracy (album). Jruderman (talk) 13:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this and True Democracy. I created the nominated redirect 18 years ago and changed the redirection of the second one around the same time, and now realize these were mistakes. It is a hopelessly vague term that I apparently associated with direct democracy back then but back then I didn't realize all the connotations and the future complexities in Wikipedia's content, and to be clear, the Wikipedia was quite a "wild west" in 2006 compared to today. Further, a disambiguation would be rather useless with only one similarly worded term. All the suggestions of similar ideas here aren't really for a typical disambiguation, and comes off as something akin to original research or at best, stretching a phrase's meaning too far. Just delete the sucker. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might have to be a dab page (or redirect) just because of the music album. Jruderman (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We don't create dab pages to go to one thing. If you're concerned about people finding the album, what you do is delete this redirect and True Democracy (also as unnecessary as the one nominated here), then move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy, since it's the only "True Democracy" entity covered in the encyclopedia. There was not a need to disambiguate that album. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy. Retarget True democracy there. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To the closer: If I wasn't clear, this is the solution I want as well. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 04:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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⧧

⧧ → Thermodynamics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While the Unicode character is called "THERMODYNAMIC", I don't see how the current target would be helpful to any reader. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - while it might not be the most useful, deleting it would be less useful. If the unicode character represents thermodynamics then we should redirect there BugGhost 🦗👻 00:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting it would at least make it clear that we have no content on this symbol. As a reader, I would have trouble understanding why some very abstract character would redirect me to a physics article with no explanation of the symbol. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 14:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – see this discussion for evidence of use. Cremastra (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, that is an argument to retarget to Wiktionary. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 02:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - On the balance of things, I think I prefer keeping the user on wikipedia when we have information they might be looking for rather than to offsite or crosswiki them. The symbol means thermodynamic, we have information on what that means, so it's the best target. That said, I would not strenuously object to crosswiki linking it to wiktionary. I would strenuously object to deleting the redirect altogether. Fieari (talk) 05:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ḙ

Ḙ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ṷ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These were nominated in 2010 as part of a WP:TRAINWRECKy nomination already, but they are not mentioned at the target, which barely talks about a circumflex below (note that this is currently a red link) at all. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retain The solution surely is to add content about 'circumflex below' to the circumflex article. This is a credible redirect, though I haven't found a citation for it. I came across a suggestion that 'circumflex below' is used in IPA, perhaps Nardog can advise? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads U+032D ◌̭ COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT BELOW • Americanist: fronted articulation. Perhaps that was the concept? (I'm 50 fathoms out of my depth here, so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet is not the same as Americanist phonetic notation. Nardog (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That usage is mentioned in Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Nardog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless Ḙ is strongly associated with one language, I recommend giving it the same fate as "Circumflex below" (currently a red link). Assuming this is the case, where should "Circumflex below" redirect? Most likely to one of the following: Circumflex#Unicode, Circumflex#Circumflex_below (a new, more specific section), or Combining character (a more general article). Jruderman (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that The circumflex below is a notation used by the Uralic Phonetic Alphabet to indicate a raised variant of a vowel?

I don't see it anywhere at Americanist phonetic notation but specifically not at Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Is it a Unicode Consortium error? [see https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0300.html ]). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) revised 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should add Ṱ · Ḽ · Ḓ · Ṋ to the RfD, right? Jruderman (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. These are mentioned at Circumflex#Diacritic_on_consonants, and the nomination does not apply to them. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link to previous RfD (2010) — Jruderman (talk) 01:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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CBIs

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List of ambassadors of Turkey to Burundi

List of ambassadors of Turkey to Burundi → Burundi–Turkey relations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The target article Burundi–Turkey relations contains no list of ambassadors. LibStar (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and merge the content behind the redirect into the target article, which is what should have been done in the first place rather than redirecting. Thryduulf (talk) 14:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also I think "List of" is an unlikely search term. LibStar (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why? We have hundreds of thousands of titles beginning "List of". It strikes me as an extremely plausible search term for someone wanting a list of X to search for "List of X". Thryduulf (talk) 10:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LibStar, @Thryduulf: Based on the prefix finder, it looks like we have 1,883 articles that start with "List of ambassadors". That's what makes this also strike me as a very plausible prefix to any "ambassadors of" search. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and merge per Thryduulf. I search for "List of" redirects all the time. C F A 💬 22:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 30

Laws of work

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----

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Glue70

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Speako

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Bames jond

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The BFG (1987 film)

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Squeezel

Squeezel → Porcupine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

created as the "vietnamese word for porcupine". if wiktionary is to be trusted, it's not cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cogsan: Please don't forget to notify the creator of the redirect. I've done that now. CycloneYoris ^talk! 19:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh, they're still active. neat. thanks cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My first thought was this.

It appears to be from something from Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations [38][39]. So that at least explains it, and I don't see it sreferring to anything else. There is a mention (with a different spelling) at Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations#Vietnam, so I would suggest retargetting there; since it links to the correct species (the Malayan porcupine). Cremastra (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. -Kaz (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to squeasel and retarget to the program. We don't know if it's a term at all, as the episode summaries are all unsourced. deviantart says Squeasel, [is] a hybrid of a squirrel and a weasel. Jay 💬 15:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilspile

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Multiplicities

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Ragg tuning fork

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The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told

The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told → Sholay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems both too long and incredibly specific to the point where I can't see it being used. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sholay is likely the most popular Indian film ever, and everything from its marketing taglines to dialogues to even the names of minor characters are familiar with everyday people (the FA is pretty indepth about this). It includes this as well. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Gotitbro. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment While I would tend to agree with the nom, it's too new to tell. If it's useful, it will be used. Time will tell and the stats will reflect whether it's useful or not. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told, and therefore misleading. CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CycloneYoris: My understanding is this was a tagline used, but I don't see the greatest star cast ever being ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also note the redirects created by the same creator on the same day. But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.
Jay 💬 06:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.

That is how it is exactly quoted in the article though. Gotitbro (talk) 18:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not. Delete because of the mistake. There are several other redirects that may be used in the place of this one. Jay 💬 15:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

does this count as blatantly and overly promotional? this is the only example i could find of a tagline being a redirect (where's a superhero movie with a mind of its own for megamind?). if it counts, then delete all per that. if it doesn't, then delete all as vague instead, since results for both of those sentences mostly gave me top whatever many "greatest x" lists cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Megamind is/was never a cultural zeitgeist/milestone for American cinema or popular culture, unlike Sholay for Indian cinema. You only need search a bit and see what you have:

And I don't see how this redirect is any different from any of these, to specifically consider a CfD only here. Neither do I see the point of it being vague (especially for the construction CfD'd here) when the nom's rationale itself is "too long and incredibly specific". Gotitbro (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cogsan: This absolutely does not count as blatant/overly promotional because of the context and relevance. You're welcome to vote how you like, but as Gotitbro mentions, these types of tag lines being created is not unusual. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nom, also delete all the redirects mentioned by Jay. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 13:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

on second thought, delete as just plain ol' malformed cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Margaretville station

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ETDA

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August 29

Real people

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Hypeicane

Hypeicane → Hyperbole (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

not a word, it seems. results gave me beer and "hype hurricanes" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know what the original intention was, but retargeting to hypercane as an {{r from typo}} seems reasonable. Paradoctor (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On a keyboard, I is three keys across from R. Not aware of any other keyboard layouts that have R and I next to eachother. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 13:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not all typos come from greasy fingers. For example, some people are prone to snooperisms Paradoctor (talk) 19:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...nah, i think this one's just a skill issue. really hard to rationalize cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 04:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing to "rationalize", only for you to realize that there's more to things than the limited set of preconceptions that constitute your factory setting. Sheesh. FYI, I'm one of those for whom "typo" means more than base motor issues. Paradoctor (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i mean, if we don't even know what word this is supposed to be a typo of... cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're not hearing me. You still presume that the only possible way of producing typos is greasy fingers. Which has been refuted. Paradoctor (talk) 02:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i am hearing you, but i can't think of any possible case in which someone would input i instead of r. spoonerisms are out of the question since that's not what a spoonerism is (for starters, it would require that either word have an i and no r). fat fingers are out of the question unless someone theoretically has a keyboard not even half the size of their palm (in which case fair enough, but you really need a bigger one), greasy fingers are out of the question because there's a t key right next to r just begging to lick them clean, hitting your keyboard with a baseball bat is a bad idea, don't do that (also it's unlikely to land on the i and no other letter), and deliberately using different letters relative to their location on the keyboard or alphabet (but only halfway through, and presumably for one letter), because trying any form of consistent pattern only gave me hypeisfcv and hypeixefu. there's also the issue of it apparently being a "related term" (as in probably not a typo) to hyperbole, but results only gave me this redirect, and circular logic is something best kept in adult swim shows

if you have some idea of what this could theoretically be that can't be compared to calling a song in 4/4 a waltz, i would really appreciate it cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i can't think

I rest my case. Paradoctor (talk) 13:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i rest cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cogsan: Just because you don't make that particular typo does not mean nobody does. For example, possibly the most common typo I make is "musuem" for "museum", that is not due to fat fingers or greasy fingers, but I assure you it is a typo. Additionally, QWERTY keyboards are not the only input method. Thryduulf (talk) 13:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

there's a difference between "musuem" and "hypeicane"; musuem just switches two letters of a word around. it's plausible if you're typing a little too fast. hypeicane, assuming it's just a typo of hypercane, which the creator seemingly did not think was the case, switches a letter for another letter that is not even normally in that word, and isn't close enough to r to justify a misinput, close enough to p to justify a... misinput (there really has to be a better word), or phonetically similar enough to justify a mishearing

as for the keyboard layouts, i checked every single layout mentioned on wikipedia to make that claim, and the only ones that have i close enough to p or r to justify any plausible form of misspelling are bépo and dvorak, and if you want to argue that an apparently obscure french layout and a layout designed with the specific intention of reducing errors (though its effectivity in that area is debated) could justify that, then go ahead, i guess cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Hypercane and tag as {{R from typo}} per Paradoctor. Seems plausible enough for keeping. CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not a word, not a plausible typo. No one has been able to justify why this redirect was created, and the creator cannot, as he has been banned from enwiki. Jay 💬 06:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talmeeh

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Saint Boy

Saint Boy → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in the target article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Appears to be the name of a horse used by both Annika Schleu and Gulnaz Gubaydullina. It's mentioned at both of their articles, but I think search results are best as neither article has more info than the other. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and add that information to the article. If neither has more info than the other, then the appropriate place to link is the event page where both competitors are listed. --Habst (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pelmeen10, redirect discussions are not votes; see WP:NOTAVOTE. I didn't just vote to keep, I am recommending to both keep and add the info to the article, not one without the other. I don't mind in which order it's done. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Presidentman, unless useful content is made available at the current target. Jay 💬 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics, which is where the horse is mentioned. According to the content there, that particular horse's performance and athlete Schleu's treatment of it were the catalyst for the decision to officially drop equestrian from the modern pentathlon. [40][41] The decision to drop equestrian from the sport is mentioned in the article Modern pentathlon, but not the horse itself. The horse will likely continue being mentioned in Annika Schleu because that is when/where/how the incident with the horse happened. If later the horse gets mentioned in Modern pentathlon, then the redirect can be changed. Until then, it should point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics. The current target (Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's) is not the appropriate place. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better yet, add {{Anchor|Saint Boy}} just under § 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and redirect to Annika Schleu#Saint Boy. That is how I would do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why should it redirect to Annika Schleu and not Gulnaz Gubaydullina? Jay 💬 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It was not very clear when I read the Annika Schleu article. After your explanation, when I read it again, it became clear. I see there are some details in the trainer Kim Raisner's article which are not present in Annika Schleu. Jay 💬 07:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The plot thickens. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 22:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Seriously? It didn't need to be relisted. Can I just change it to point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the current consensus. The ambiguity of the redirect seems to also leave deletion and retargeting to other locations as options. Thus, the relist ... need clearer consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 12:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The best solution would be to have a summary of the incidents at the current target rather than just arbitrarily targeting one of the biographies where the horse is mentioned (Annika Schleu, Kim Raisner, Gulnaz Gubaydullina). -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant exactly what I said. The incidents regarding Saint Boy occurred during Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's, so there should be a write up at that page of what happened. I am aware that has not yet been added. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eumephism

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Code phrase

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Minister for Cities

Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
(some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius ^talk 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest moving Minister for Cities (Australia) → Minister for Cities and moving Minister for Cities → Minister for Cities (disambiguation). The Australian portfolio (being extant) is the primary topic. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: A requested move was made regarding these redirects and procedurally closed + no consensus because this discussion is ongoing; permalink: Special:Permalink/1240763459. Fork99 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate. There is also a Ministry of Cities in Brazil. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opinions seems split between creating a disambiguation page at the base title, or claiming Minister for Cities (Australia) is the primary topic. (Either way, seems a disambiguation page needs to be created somewhere ... but is that "somewhere" the base title or a title ending with "(disambiguation)"?)
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Comment: Per CFA, I also think that the title is too ambiguous and generic to have a primary topic - the Australian one might be "extant" per DilatoryRevolution as of right now, but this could change in the future as political portfolios get shuffled around fairly often. Fork99 (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcasm Kills

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Sarcastive

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Sacrcastic comment

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MetaphoR

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Greater Manchester bus route 17

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Roland Burris Burial Site

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 5#Roland Burris Burial Site

Do your own research

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Multiplicity of a restricted root

Multiplicity of a restricted root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"restricted root" is not mentioned at the target (and is only used a few times in the entire English Wikipedia's mainspace). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 12:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not into mathematics, but searching gave me Plancherel theorem for spherical functions#Harish-Chandra's Plancherel theorem that has "α is called a restricted root and $m_{\alpha }=\dim {\mathfrak {g}}_{\alpha }$ is called its multiplicity." Jay 💬 13:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really an appropriate target. A restricted root is an element of a root system of a semisimple Lie algebra, and its multiplicity is the dimension of the associated eigenspace. This has little to do with Harish-Chandra's theorem. I think Semisimple Lie algebra would be more appropriate. Tito Omburo (talk) 11:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Semisimple Lie algebra as suggested by Tito Omburo. XOR'easter (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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3-3 duopyramid

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Sudan (South)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Template:MBTI Instrument

Template:MBTI Instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Three more template space redirects pointing to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (added 12:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC))

Template:MBTI Archetypes, was merged to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator

Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions, was merged to ISTJ

Template:Mtbi instrument, alias of Template:MBTI Instrument

A few years ago, this template became unused, and was redirected to the main MBTI article. Isn't the normal procedure for unused templates to be deleted? I don't see why one would do a redirect from template space to an article. 🤷 Paradoctor (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Do these need to be kept for attribution? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore and TfD? Jay 💬 11:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super transformation (Sonic the Hedgehog)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

List of items in Sonic games

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 5#List of items in Sonic games

Super Emeralds

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 5#Super Emeralds

August 28

Ideal Grotesque(typeface)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

We was robbed

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Sonic timeline

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Australia 2032

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Australia 2032

Automatic MatchMaker

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 6#Automatic MatchMaker

Death Knight (Warcraft III)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Death Knight (Warcraft III)

Third Great War

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

King P

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

King Porky

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Monsoon Revolution

Monsoon Revolution → Non-cooperation movement (2024) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Non-cooperation movement (2024) is not known as "Monsoon Revolution". There is no source verify that. In that way, this redirect is WP:OR. Also Monsoon Revolution is the name of a book "Monsoon Revolution: Republicans, Sultans, and Empires in Oman, 1965-1976". Redirect this to the subject creates confusion. ~~It needs to be deleted.~~ Mehedi Abedin 04:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I found at least one source that is calling it "Monsoon Revolution". [42] Za-ari-masen (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The above source had been removed from the article. I also found the one I had originally heard this term used in [43] (just after the 4 minute mark in the audio) and added a note about the alternative name back to the intro of Non-cooperation movement (2024). Given that it has also been used for the Dhofar War (which is what the book is apparently about), perhaps this should be made into a disambiguation page between those two? -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate: There are only three hits for the name that pertain to the NCM in Bangladesh. The name is used for other events as well as mentioned above. PadFoot (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate: In that case disambiguation is the better idea considering what Beland and PadFoot2008 said. Mehedi Abedin 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: It doesn't seem like this is the name that sticks. I did notice that an article was made entitled July 36 where it is said that that is what Bangladeshis calling the date of Sheikh Hasina's removal. I think we're seeing a scenario akin to the Revolution of Dignity in Ukraine. Image2012 (talk) 11:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Image2012: What are you opposing? Deletion per the original nomination, or the disambiguation suggestion per the nom's later choice? Do you want the redirect to be kept as is? Jay 💬 06:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m going to say the latter. We don’t seem to have enough evidence for the term’s usage to refer to either the Non-cooperation movement or the Dhofar War. Image2012 (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thermal enegy

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Undetharaya

Undetharaya → Kunchitiga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at target page, nor anywhere within Wikipedia for that matter. Unable to find WP:GNG worthy mentions for original page as well. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move without redirect to Unde Yattaraya which will help retain the page history as well. Jay 💬 08:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. In addition, I do not understand why we would move the edit history elsewhere to a title that differs from the current title by just a space if the redirect's utility either way is unhelpful. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, I did not compare the two titles correctly. Never mind. Steel1943 (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2017 PGL Open Bucharest

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#2017 PGL Open Bucharest

SL i-League Invitational Season 3

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#SL i-League Invitational Season 3

Purgegamers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 10#Purgegamers

Kevin Godec

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 10#Kevin Godec

Major All Stars

Major All Stars → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Major All Stars Season 1 → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert Major All Stars, merge the article in the history of Major All Stars season 1 into it and redirect the latter to the former, all without prejudice to AfD. I'm seeing a lot of hits that post-date the 2017 BLAR that make this at least worth discussing - especially as there are at least two baseball teams (about which we don't even have a mention) with the name that need filtering out of search results. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I did some digging and I'm not seeing any reliable sourcing on this. I'm happy to reconsider if sourcing is found. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then provide evidence showing why this may be notable. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Let's not clutter AfD. There is zero chance this survives. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Dota 2 heroes

List of Dota 2 heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of Dota 2 Heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Target contains no such list. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. There's always a proper wiki for that in-game list. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ahri Boy: That's not a basis for speedy deletion. See WP:NOTCSD#1. SilverLocust 💬 06:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The redirect was per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dota 2 Heroes. Even at the time, there was not a list at that target (permalink), just a mention of 111 "Hero" characters with a primary ref: "Heroes". Valve Corporation. Retrieved February 13, 2015. SilverLocust 💬 07:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kunkka the Admiral

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Priestess of the Moon

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Priestess of the Moon

Moon Rider

Moon Rider → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Could maybe be repointed to Moonriders or The Moon Riders, but those don't seem likely to be singularized. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig (drafted below the redirect). This is the title of multiple books and songs, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Krobelus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Drow Ranger

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Templar Assassin

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Defense of the Ancients under Linux

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Death Prophet

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Death Prophet

Doat

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Terrorblade

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Terrorblade

Banehallow

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Banehallow

List of Allusions in DoTA

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Virtual virus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Dae Hui Cho

Dae Hui Cho → Warcraft III in esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, neither he nor his gaming name FoV are there. I'd delete... And the rest of the target looks crufty these days. Izno Public (talk) 03:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The article in the history of this redirect is a copy of the one deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dae Hui Cho in 2011. I've not looked to see if he has become notable since then. Thryduulf (talk) 12:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1

Warcraft: Legends

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Pre-MoP

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Worldbreaker

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

World of Warcraft: Worldbreaker

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Pre-Cata

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Pre-Cataclysm

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Pre-WotLK

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Terrokar Forest

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World of Warcraft Radio

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Player Test Realm

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Shadow Priest

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Footman Frenzy

Footmen Frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Footmen frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Huh? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery: Apparently this was a thing - a game-within-the-game that once had a substantial (but basically unsourced) article. See here, here, here. In other words, a thing that exists, may be worth a mention, but can not support an article of its own. BD2412 T 01:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed, a popular custom game and perhaps worth a mention, but as it's not mentioned now, delete. It was not a particularly important one at the end of the day, unlike DotA's leading what became the MOBA genre, so I don't anticipate being added any time soon. Izno Public (talk) 02:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and IznoPublic. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just tagged Footmen Frenzy with {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 11:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Hoards of Pride

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Blademaster (Warcraft)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Blademaster (Warcraft)

Orc Gladiators

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

August 27

Automatic MatchMaker

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Automatic MatchMaker

Death Knight (Warcraft III)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Death Knight (Warcraft III)

Third Great War

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Third Great War

2025 UK general election

2025 UK general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 20 § 2025 United Kingdom general election – no consensus

Implausible Redirect Blethering Scot 22:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Made slightly more sense when the date wasn't announced. Doesn't make sense anymore. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of United Kingdom general elections. Deletion would be fine, too. The only truly bad option is the current situation. On the off chance that there was a general UK election in 2025 (which is possible, if unlikely, as I understand it), this would be even worse! —mako ๛ 12:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The most recent general election had to be held in or before January 2025, and there was much media speculation that it would be held at the latest possible date. This people searching for this title is entirely plausible. When to call a general election is (for practical purposes) entirely the prerogative of the prime minister, as long as one is held within 5 years of the most recent one, i.e. 2029 (although there is a minimum notice period, I think its about 25 days, for logistical reasons). This means that we cannot say there will not be a general election in 2025 until in theory 1 December 2025 as UK elections are always held on a Thursday and 25 December is the last Thursday in 2025 - although as there would have to be some truly extraordinary reason to hold an election on Christmas Day in reality the deadlines would be at least 1 week earlier. This does leave a problem of where best to target this redirect, and I think that unless and until a general election is called for 2025 (which currently looks unlikely, but a week is a long time in politics) that retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century is the best we can do. Someone will learn there that the isn't currently one scheduled for that year and find a link to the 2024 election if that is what they looking for. Ideally there would also be a link to Next United Kingdom general election, but there isn't currently. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century per thryduulf. (I've bundled 2025 United Kingdom general election into this RFD - this was previously discussed at RFD with a no consensus - but this was discussed before the election took place). BugGhost 🦗👻 12:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The current target discusses that the date was potentially to be in 2025. Oppose retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century, that list does not contain any information about a (potential) 2025 general election. Next United Kingdom general election does not even mention the year 2025. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: One more try - delete, retarget or keep as is?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Tavix talks with sanity on this point Not intended to disparage other participants in any way! Just that I feel Tavix has the right approach. I do way more reading than editing, so let me provide a reader's perspective on how I (and, I suspect, others) interact with Wikipedia as readers. I live in the UK so I know full well the year of the election, but let's imagine I didn't: Perhaps I live somewhere far away, or perhaps the year is 2034 and I just can't remember. I come across an article discussing the possibility of a 2025 election, such as this one in the New Statesman. To put what I'm reading into its appropriate historical context the first thing I wanna do is find out when the election was actually held. What do I put into the Wikipedia search box? 2025 UK general election seems like a decent bet. Not only does this redirect take me to the information I want, the page it leads to does in fact contain a discussion about the timing with an entire section called "Date of the election". Perfect, just what I as a reader am looking for. My only question is if we would be best to leave the redirect exactly as it is, or should we retarget it specificallly to the date section? 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Za'ura

Za'ura → Za'ura, Syria (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The current target was created today. Until then it targetted Zoora, which has a footnote stating that Za'ura is an alternative romanisation. It's not immediately clear to me whether one topic is primary (in which case there should be a hatnote to the other) or whether a disambig should be primary. I've not immediately found any other possible targets but my searching hasn't been as extensive as I'd like (I'm running low on time).
Courtesy ping to those who've commented at ANI: @Supreme Deliciousness, Primefac, and Selfstudier:. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the alternate romanisation is correct, then I would advocate for reversing the retargeting and restore the Zoora link; that subject is well-sourced and likely more notable than a nonexistent historical village in Syria. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dab. For the saint, see here. Srnec (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move Za'ura, Syria → Za'ura, as there does not seem to be a need to disambiguate (are there other locations in the world with that same name?). Use WP:hatnotes in the two articles, Za'ura and Zoora. The two articles have similar pronounciations, but not the same. Hence, there is no need for a disambiguation page. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pronunciation is irrelevant. Both articles could be titled "Za'ura" so disambiguation of some sort is required. The question is whether that should be a hatnote from the primary topic or a primary disambiguation page. To answer that question we need to know whether one or the other is the primary topic for people searching "Za'ura" and from my searches there doesn't appear to be, although Google refusing to distinguish between "Za'ura" and "za ura" is not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I created Za'ura, Syria. Dont really have an opinion. There is very little info about the village. Maybe the redirect should go to Zoora. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic?
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List of Strogg in Quake II

List of Strogg in Quake II → Quake II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

not present in the target cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. The only discussion I've found is from 2006 where one editor suggested a merge and a second editor disagreed. That's very obviously not consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 13#List of Strogg in Quake 4. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Back then, Wikipedia was flooded with WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTFANDOM violations related to video games. Since then, Wikipedia has evolved to not include or encourage the creation of articles that are against such policies. Restoring this article for any reason would be regression. Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

on top of what steel said, i haven't found anything specifying that this has to be done in afd, as opposed to here. buuuut chances are i haven't looked hard enough, so eh. the point still stands that doing this would only result in something being discussed and found worthy of deletion twice in a row, and go against previously established consensus that those kinds of redirects are usually deleted right away cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For pages that are redirects, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at RfD. If you want this to be discussed at AfD, you should make a compelling argument that the content may be notable. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

again, where did the "speedy" part come from? if i wanted speedy deletion because i thought it applied to one or more of the criteria, i would have tagged it as such, as opposed to taking it to rfd cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i hate to disagree with an admin, but from reading wp:rdel and wp:del, i don't believe that's how any of this works. if a redirect refers to something that isn't mentioned in the target, and it's found that there's no reliable coverage of it, i think it falls within reason 2 to delete as stated in rdel, as it would leave readers to wonder where the list of strogg or info on quackifier are. if every blar'd redirect had to be reverted to an undercooked, effectively unsourced article and taken to afd to be discussed for the same reason as if it were still a redirect, a lot of rfd nominations would have been done out of process for ages now, with no admins happening to pick up on it

and also rfd isn't solely for speedy deletion i guess cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cogsan: That's one way of interpreting what I was trying to get at! In addition, regarding questioning administrators who participate in discussions: When administrators participate in discussions, they do so in their capacity as editors; their comments hold no stronger weight than any regular editor. They also cannot abuse their tools in retaliation since they would lose their administrative privileges. (I know there's a policy or essay page out there stating this, but I cannot find it at the moment.) In other words, feel free to challenge any editor in any discussion if you do not agree with their stance. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Restore or Delete right away?
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while we're here, what about quackifier? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as not seen in the parent article and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whoopsie daisy

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Whoopsie daisy

Super Mario RPG 2

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Super Mario RPG 2

Niggling

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Niggling

Dry Winged Trout Flies

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

🎣

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#🎣

November 12, 2001

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#November 12, 2001

Fish catch

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Fin fish

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Looting the seas

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Unio personalis

Unio personalis → Prosopon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Personal Union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Personal union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unio Personalis → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unio personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unio Personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The specific terms don't seem to be explicitly mentioned in any article, so it is a bit unclear where these should point. The first redirect was created in 2007, targeting Hypostatic union; this was later changed to Person of Christ (now merged into Christology) along with the creation of the other redirects. Only the first one was rather recently changed to target Prosopon. Apart from these, the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 11#Unipersonalist (and the Nontrinitarianism article which was the target decided on in that RfD) seem pertinent. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget where necessary to Hypostatic union. – Fayenatic London 20:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yabbying

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Yabbying

Deep sea fishing.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Sydney Football Stadium 2

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Gogaku

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Gogaku

Israeli fascism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Certificat Superieur de Francais

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 8#Certificat Superieur de Francais

Notional-functional syllabus

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Notional-functional syllabus

Esyllabus

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Online education

Online education → Distance education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Online Education → Educational technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 14 § Online education – retarget to Distance education

Seems ambiguous. There is also Online school. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 13:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget [Online Education] to Distance education. Thanks to the COVID pandemic happening, this seems to be the primary redirect topic for these terms with Educational technology and Online school being potential subtopics when referring to the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Listed the previous RfD. Note that there was a disambig page Online learning that was discussed there. Jay 💬 11:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Massacres of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh (1988-1994)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bill Bojangles Robinson

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete.

Toki Pon

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Chafarinas''s skink

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Template:United States women;s volleyball squad 2012 Summer Olympics

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Wirth;s Circus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G7

War of Jenkin;s Ear

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Million;s Poet

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Daggett;s Mill, Pennsylvania

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Hispanized Southeast Asia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Hispanized Southeast Asia

Su85b

Su85b → SU-85 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention on the target page. The tank does appear to be real though, so maybe a mention could be added to the article? Only source I can find on it though is an article on a website called "Warspot" that doesn't seem to have much fact checking. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 04:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely a thing, even though most of the many English-language hits relate to its appearance in World of Tanks (most commonly rendered as "SU-85b" the hyphenless version does get plenty of hits) it is not just we have a picture at File:СУ-85Б.webp which led to my discovering the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias have articles about it. There is a mention at List of armoured fighting vehicles by country#Soviet Union, but that doesn't say more than that it was based on the SU-76 prototype; SU-76#Variants has a sentence. Draft:SU-85B was deleted under G13 in 2020, but it was just a single sentence "The SU-85B was a prototype Soviet tank destroyer based on the SU-76.". If we decide not to delete this then SU-85B should be created as a redirect to the same target, but what target that would be or whether deletion per WP:REDLINK would be better I don't know. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to SU-76 where it is mentioned as a variant. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Photosite

Photosite → Pixel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

mentioned exactly once in the article, in the lead, in passing, inside parentheses (can't guarantee citation 3 doesn't mention it because it's paywalled), really doesn't make it clear if a pixel is supposed to be a part of a photosite or vice-versa, though it seems to be the latter, which might make this the equivalent of redirecting "body hair" to beard. what do? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My first thought was an image hosting website, but googling shows that actually it refers to (as wikt:photosite puts it) "An individual light-sensitive element in a digital image sensor." and pixel is an alternative term for this. This suggests that image sensor is the correct target for the redirect - however the term is not mentioned there. Where it is mentioned is articles about specific sensors or sensor technologies, which are all too specific a target. A specific image hosting site ("PhotoSite") is mentioned at Homestead Technologies#History but that doesn't appear to be notable (and seems to have been discontinued circa 2006). I'm not completely sure what the best course of action is here, but the status quo definitely isn't it. Perhaps soft redirecting to Wiktionary if the term isn't added at Image sensor? If we do soft redirect we should remove the link to Wikipedia from that page to avoid a circular link. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Life as we do not know it

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Life as we do not know it

Bīn

Bīn → Been (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

What the! Should redirect to Bin instead, surely. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that's apparently a hanyu pinyin reading for... a bunch of old(?) chinese lemmas. i got nothing. delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i think "been" would rely too much on one accent of one language in certain conditions, so i don't think that one would work either cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or soft redirect. This is a transcription of multiple different Chinese characters that have meanings including "visitor, guest", "in a hurry", "today", "elegant, refined", "place", "sprinting, quick" and pronunciations including "wǎng", "bin", "bin", "ban", "pîn", "kǔn", "kwan" (both a far from complete lists). I'm not seeing any obvious primary topic in English. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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double bind-shaped dilemmas

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget accordingly

August 26

Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election

Russia;s anti-LGBT law

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

-ussy

Trussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Clownussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Thrussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Þussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Dussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ghussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Grussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Dunmussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Orcussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ayleidussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Akulakhanakussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Morbussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chaurussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Corpussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Daedrussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Tentaclussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Spidussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Khajussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

None of these are mentioned in the article. Rusalkii (talk) 19:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...oh boy. judging from the "mature" mindset of someone who would want to find redirects to this article

trussy: keep as "haha heehee trans pussy"
clownussy: keep as plausible alternate spelling of "clussy"
grussy: keep if it can be argued that it stems from gru, otherwise delete
morbussy: keep as "oh god we're still doing morbius memes"
corpussy: SPEEDY DELETE AND SALT, WHAT WAS THE CREATOR THINKING
tentaclussy: torn between voting to delete as that is the exact opposite of what a tentacle is supposed to do, and keeping per those people's... lacking knowledge in biology
spidussy: keep as one of the oldest, most iconic -ussy memes i know of. as in it actually predates -ussy being a meme

and delete all the others as obscure cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all as not mentioned at target, except Clownussy which should be retargeted to Coulrophilia as a {{R avoided double redirect|Clussy}}. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and the things Hyphenation Expert says to do below. Queen of Hearts (talk) 21:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep grussy and thrussy; they are mentioned at target. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Soft redirect Þussy → wikt:þussy. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 07:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thussy

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft redirect

Nussy

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Win quote

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Sony ARW 1.0

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 2#Sony ARW 1.0

Libopenraw

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Libopenraw

Ricoh GR

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Lord Jabu-Jabu

Lord Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lord Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Character/dungeon of the Legend of Zelda universe that is not mentioned in the target article, Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. The only mention of this character on Wikipedia seems to be at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, but I'm pretty sure that target is not the target readers trying to information about this character are intending to go, meaning deletion is probably preferred over retargeting there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If there were a lot of page views I'd contend that it should just be changed to mention Jabu-Jabu on the characters or OoT article, but none of them are even double digits, suggesting no one is really using these redirects anyway. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cukie Gherkin: Just FYI, I apparently had an edit conflict with you when I updated my rationale to include finding a mention at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, in case that changes your stance. Steel1943 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page views aren't necessarily a concern regarding readers finding this information; what's more important is that the information exists if any reader is trying to find that information. Meaning ... should this character be added to an article, probably Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time? (I'm assuming that the content was previously at its current target, considering the target is coded in these redirects, and you are the creator of Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time [assuming my requested history merge has not occurred yet].) Steel1943 (talk) 17:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think my stance remains the same, as I don't think people would expect to be taken there if they do search for it. As far as page views, they were just offered as an example of an incentive for perhaps mentioning Jabu-Jabu somewhere if he was someone people were searching. As far as the characters page, I think the most that could be done would be to mention Jabu Jabu under Ruto's page, but I'm not sure that would really be enough to warrant redirects. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The pre-redirect page histories are not useful and attribution is not a concern since all the content has been removed from the target article. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends

Children's games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Children's Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Childrens' games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Childrens Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I was originally considering WP:BOLDly retargeting these redirects to disambiguation page Children's toys and games to allow readers to determine which page they were intending to find if they searched these terms (the current target is listed at Children's toys and games), but ... the existence of Children's Games (Bruegel) complicates that due to WP:DIFFCAPS. I'm still believing that these redirects should be retargeted to Children's toys and games, but I'm not sure if Children's Games (Bruegel) should be moved to Children's Games per both WP:DIFFCAPS and since ... retargeting Children's Games to Children's toys and games and then listing Children's Games (Bruegel) in the "See also" section seems to both be odd and have no precedence. Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Any thoughts?
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Move Children's Games (Bruegel) to Children's Games, then retarget all to Children's Games, and then add hatnote to List of children's games. I think the painting here should be the primary topic here as it has this specific name, while "List of children's games" is more general and has a few different aliases that mean the same thing (eg. Playground games, Folk games, etc). BugGhost 🦗👻 13:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's okay to handle the upper-case and lower-case versions differently, per WP:DIFFCAPS. Retarget the lower-case versions to Children's toys and games per nom as ambiguous. Disambiguate Children's Games between Children's toys and games, Children's Games (Bruegel), and International Children's Games. Retarget Childrens Games to the new disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 17:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mario party revolution

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Metal Mario

Metal Mario → Mario (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of "Metal Mario" on the target page. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert to the article in the page history without prejudice to AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 08:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a plausible search term. It would be very easy to add a sourced mention - it's an alternate name for Mario when he uses a "power up" that makes his body look like metal. Sources like this outline it. An alternate target could be at Super Mario 64#Gameplay, where it's already touched on some there. That's where the concept originated, though it's been used in many games now, so its current target is probably preferable. Sergecross73 msg me 12:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as Metal Mario is a significant recurring character in the Mario franchise spin-offs and thus a plausible search term. A mention should be added at the subject, but I am unopposed to a redirect to Super Mario 64 if that is deemed a better solution. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Fire Mario redirects to Super Mario#Projectiles, Tanooki Mario to Super Mario Bros. 3. Those are about all the 'Marios' I know for sure. Taking a guess at some extra Marios, Ice Mario redirects to Super Mario, and then Hammer Mario and Invincible Mario don't have any pages or redirects. Will readers be expecting to be redirected to wildly disparate pages when they're all effectively variations of the same character? 122141510 (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Super Mario 64#Health, lives, and power-ups, akin to Metal Cap, where it's actually discussed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Super Mario 64#Health, lives, and power-ups where discussed. Super Mario 64 was the introduction of Metal Mario, so I feel it has higher significance over other targets that may mention Metal Mario. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dalaran

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Vashj'ir

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Vashj'ir

Warcraft IV

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Great Dark

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 2#Great Dark

Howling Fjord

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Hellfire Peninsula

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Lordaeron City

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

High Council of Lordaeron

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#High Council of Lordaeron

Undermine (Warcraft)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Undermine (Warcraft)

Hozen

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Hozen

Nerubian

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Nerubian

Arakkoa

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Arakkoa

World of warcraft mounts

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Naga (Warcraft)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 6#Naga (Warcraft)

M-Block

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Milk & Cream

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Nigerian Agip Oil Company

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 2#Nigerian Agip Oil Company

Eli Kowaz

Eli Kowaz → Israel Policy Forum#Eli Kowaz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. There was a lot (probably too much) content on him earlier, which was removed by User:IPFcomms with the rationale that he was no longer with the org. Unsure if content on him should be in the article, but if it isn't the redirect should be deleted. Rusalkii (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The AfD provided grist to doubt his notability even with the IPF; now that he's no longer there it makes no sense for the redirect to be to IPF. Longhornsg (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @CFA restored the section covering Eli Kowaz, with justification "Restoring section removed by promotional editor". If the section is kept (which I think it shouldn't be, see e.g. LinkedIn confirming he is no longer at the company), the redirect should be too. Rusalkii (talk) 19:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the target has been stable since 8 August. Jay 💬 18:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Formicapunk

Formicapunk → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Cassette futurism → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. These terms referred to a section that was removed in April and had been tagged as unreferenced for nearly two years. - Eureka Lott 16:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Cassette futurism returns many results on Google, for example [44], and [45]. And besides, it looks like the target text has been restored, complete with references. The nowardays widely accepted term for this period of retro-futurism is most commonly referred to as Cassette Futurism, but the term Formicapunk has also been used (but it is not as widely used as Cassette Futurism). Formicapunk was used in the webcomic Bouletcorp by John Boulet. The original link is http://web.archive.org/web/20230623104540/https://bouletcorp.com/2011/07/07/formicapunk/ (this is an Internet archive version as the current URL doesn't work), but even so, google still brings up links to other pages that use that term. So I suspect that there are still some people out there who are aware of the term Formicapunk but not the term Cassette Fururism. But even so, I'd definitely keep the redirect for Cassette futurism, but I'm not so sure if Bouletcorp's Formicapunk cartoon is notable enough even though the term Formicapunk has taken a life of it's own. Ae-a (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete both Per WP:NEO. Seems to be an invention of TVTropes editors, and Wikipedia is not TVTropes. 80s-punk is undoubtedly a thing, but it's cited to Wikis and unreliable sources in an attempt to make the section appear merited. Until someone can come up with an actual source, it shouldn't be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that I agree with this assessment. The redirects should be deleted and the reintroduction of the material should be reverted due to a lack of WP:RS. - Eureka Lott 21:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but also consider Retarget. In the case these redirects aren't appropriate for their current article, maybe a better destination would be Retrofuturism#Genres and the redirect-category could be changed to "R with possibilities". Also, the text in the Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk section could be moved there. Ae-a (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please note that the section has again been removed from the target article. - Eureka Lott 16:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:IRS

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Nazi resistance

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Murloc

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#Murloc

Cone of answers

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Duck technique

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Duck technique

Beyond the Big Bang

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

August 25

Sfaraddi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Child diddler

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 1#Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents

The pandemic

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Reticulum cell sarcoma

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Gay cake

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate Gay cake case and retarget gay cake there. Gay cake is a very close call but I ultimately went with the alternative to deletion.

Well, excuse me!

Well, excuse me! → Steve Martin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this to Let's Get Small as the album from the current target which this phrase is most associated, but then I remembered ... people looking up this phrase could reasonably be trying to find The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!#Premise where a version of the subject of the article Link (The Legend of Zelda) is notable for saying "Well, excuse me, princess!" and since Well excuse me princess redirects there. Seems like a case of "disambiguate" or "retarget" and I'm not sure which, even with the fact that this redirect is a partial match for the Link phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was thinking about nominating this one too, also while having "well excuse me princess" on my mind.

As the inclusion of the word "well" is never mentioned in any context preceding the title "Excuse Me" in the album, I'd prefer to delete this, but a retarget is better than a keep. Retargeting brings this title closer to its potential context (moreso than a general pass towards the person that presumably said the phrase), but without any mention of the "well" bit, there's no indication in the article that people would search for this instead of Excuse Me (the song on the album; the song, which does not appear on the Excuse Me disambiguation page). It does not seem necessary to target this title to Excuse Me either. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

dabify or add all redirects missing the word "princess" to "excuse me" per 50% of what steel said, but also per "well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu_uuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess"

wait, no, wrong quote, i mean "that's only barely uncommon enough to probably warrant the dab" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Let's Get Small as originally considered. That seems like a pretty good approach, as it explains the evolution into a catchphrase. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the proposed target and disambiguation talk pages.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 12:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Let's Get Small. Without 'princess', I believe the primary topic to be the Steve Martin catchphrase. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Utopes because of the "Well". As an ATD, it may retarget to the "excuse me" dab where BarrelProof added entries for both Steve Martin and Legend of Zelda. Jay 💬 10:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ZSJ

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Kevin Tucker (anarchist)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 1#Kevin Tucker (anarchist)

Fighting TV Samurai

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

[1] Olbermann, Keith (2006-09-25). "'Have you no sense of decency, sir?'". In the 1920's a failed Austrian painter published a book in which he explained his intention to build an Aryan super-state in Germany and take revenge on Europe and eradicate the Jews," President Bush said today, "the world ignored Hitler's words, and paid a terrible price.

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