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Africa (Weezer cover)

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Per WP:SPLIT and WP:NCOVER, which has been misinterpreted persistently. The statement reads: "Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original."

The article is not "reasonably detailed" to claim a split from Africa (Toto song). In fact, if you visit Africa (Toto song)#Weezer cover, you'll read the same content written at Africa (Weezer cover)#Release. Then we have a music video and chart sections. Nothing here indicates content that cannot be on the main page. NCOVER was specifically created for articles like The Star-Spangled Banner and The Star Spangled Banner (Whitney Houston recording). The Houston cover is independent of the US anthem because it has multiple facts about its performance, including being a charity single. We don't split covers merely because they were released and become more or less notable than the original version, including but not limited to Don't Cha (The Pussycat Dolls song), I Will Always Love You (Whitney Houston song), Fever (Beyoncé Knowles song), or American Pie (Madonna song), among thousands of examples. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 16:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Paul Clement Daniels

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Only one, primary, source in article, no significant sources found during WP:BEFORE check. Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkish organised crime in Great Britain

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At the moment the article does not have enough sources but as an alternative to deletion maybe it should be merged into Gangs in the United Kingdom or Crime in the United Kingdom? Unless anyone likes to add more cites and maybe expand it? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tabarna

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If this is true it should probably be merged - but to where?

However as it was tagged uncited a decade ago it might be false it which case it should be deleted. I am not really competent to judge whether the possible sources I found such as https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.31826/jlr-2016-133-409/html are reliable but I am sure one of you knows Chidgk1 (talk) 15:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of fashion events in the United States

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I don't see any reason for this list to be split from List of fashion events. I propose merging the content to the main article. Patientia1 (talk) 15:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ōtākaro FC

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This relatively new youth-only football club fails WP:GNG; there is no WP:SIGCOV of the club in independent, secondary, reliable sources. (It may just be WP:TOOSOON since this club isn't yet two years old, so I would support draftification as an AtD if other editors agree, but deletion is also an appropriate outcome.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IT Journalism Awards

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There is no independent WP:SIGCOV for this niche regional industry awards program. All of the coverage is either on the award program's own site, or it's in news outlets touting their own journalists' wins and nominations and thus not independent. A handful of WP:TRADES coverage items as well but that doesn't contribute to notability and thus this subject fails WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Girls' Hostel

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 14:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Satya N. Gupta

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No indication of notability per WP:NBASIC. C F A 💬 14:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No sign of any notability, WP:GNG or otherwise. (Also, so poorly referenced that one wonders where all this information came from, but that's not a matter for this AfD.) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there's likewise a lot of unsourced information in article creator's Ravindra Kumar Mishra, who like Mr. Gupta works for both SAAM CorpAdvisors Pvt Ltd and the ITU-APT Foundation of India. Wikishovel (talk) 15:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if this article is kept, it should be moved to Satya N. Gupta, see WP:TITLESINTITLES. It's unclear why the title "Dr." is used, since the Centre For Electronics Design And Technology where he did his postgraduate studies doesn't appear to award doctorates, and the article doesn't mention an honorary doctorate. Wikishovel (talk) 15:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amel Rachedi

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Not finding sufficient WP:SIGCOV of this individual who "presents" a show on her own Instagram channel to meet WP:GNG. She doesn't appear to meet any SNG either. There's just this story in WalesOnline; the rest is tabloid coverage excluded as SIGCOV under WP:SBST, or it's in unreliable sources like Forbes contributors. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Some coverage in a newspaper from Jamaica [1]. With the Wales newspaper, just barely enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 02:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 15:53, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep coverage available, see first comment --ProudWatermelon (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, ProudWatermelon, are you ignoring my advice or making a joke? Sigh. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what ? ProudWatermelon (talk) 07:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess rewriting the same argument as more value, sure ProudWatermelon (talk) 07:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And the "Sigh" was just unnecessarily rude and provocative ProudWatermelon (talk) 07:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You think "sigh" was rude and provocative? Compared to names I've been calles on this platform, it seems polite to me. It is just expressing exasperation, it's not about you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Insufficient coverage in reliable sources. The Jamaica Gleaner piece reads as promotional rather than as journalism. Sandstein 06:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Box Cricket League

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Non-notable cricket tournaments that clearly fail WP:GNG. Just because they were in TV, that doesn't make them notable. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shalom Sadik

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Fails WP:NPROF. Potentially notable but currently no indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 12:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Apostate Prophet

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None of the given sources are reliable (YouTube, Reddit, etc.), so nothing to contribute to WP:GNG in any way. A quick WP:BEFORE only gives an interview to Jewish News Syndicate (primary, doesn't count for notability) and a report on one of his presentations by edhat.com. I am not sure whether that last source is reliable, but it doesn't seem to be enough for GNG either way. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There is just no reliable sources even close to providing notability for this subject. No evidence of GNG whatsoever. Thismess (talk) 00:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Sierra Bullones

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Reason This page does not meet Wikipedia's notability and content standards for historical events. The article lacks reliable sources and citations to verify the claims made about the battle. Furthermore, the page has not been expanded or maintained to provide substantial and detailed information about the event. Given that the topic does not appear in notable historical references or publications and lacks significant coverage from academic or reliable sources, I believe this page does not fulfill the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. Tahanido (talk) 12:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I think that 7 cited sources (including the Royal Academy of History, the University of Valencia, diaries of people who participated in the war and the Cambridge University Press) are enough to verify that this event happened and there are no reasons at all to delete this article. RobertJohnson35 (talk) 17:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I was surprised how nonsensical this rationale was until I realised it was 100% AI-generated. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific Cigarette Company

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cannot find sufficient reliable news coverage independent of the topic here. In addition, the article has not been updated for a long time Moarnighar (talk) 12:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: It seems like this company has decent news coverage in local sources. The article was just recently created in April 2024. Rainsage (talk) 15:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miroslav Almaský

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The claim to notability, playing 239 minutes on Slovakia’s highest level, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Deng Yanlin

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The claim to notability, playing 8 games in Hong Kong, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Libor Koníček

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The claim to notability, playing 142 minutes on Slovakia’s highest level, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Yu Hao (footballer)

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The claim to notability, playing 111 minutes in the Chinese Super League, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Larry Wilson (businessman)

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The topic may not meet Wikipedia's notability standards under WP or the General Notability Guidelines due to insufficient coverage from reliable, independent sources. More independent media references are required to demonstrate significant coverage and establish notability. Moarnighar (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gufic Biosciences Ltd

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The topic may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, as it lacks sufficient coverage from independent, reliable news sources. Moarnighar (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Any.do

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cannot find sufficient reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:CORP Moarnighar (talk) 12:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Malacca Securities

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The topic may not meet Wikipedia's notability standards under WP, as it lacks sufficient coverage by reliable, independent news sources. More independent media references are needed to establish notability beyond promotional content. Moarnighar (talk) 12:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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PensionBee

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Unlikely to meet NCORP; no reliable sources The editing spirit (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this and this seem like independent, significant and reliable sources and there's even more coverage in the news search example. Article needs improvement. Orange sticker (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qiddiya Coast Stadium

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It's WP:TOOSOON and it is set to be built for 3 years from now.

I'm also nominating the following:

Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Henrich Ručkay

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak ice hockey player. A source that is the closest to significant coverage is Teraz. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is likewise an unsourced stub, which may help copy over English article otherwise. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Johnny K. Davis

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References do not pass WP:SIRS so fails WP:NBIO. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Comeaux

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Man doing his job. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 10:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Derrick Adu Kwakye

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Totally AI-generated text that does not match the sources used. Article subject is a non-notable arm wrestler, I can find only brief mentions of the individual; won silver in two categories in arm wrestling at the 2023 African Games. No extended coverage that I can discover and nothing like the content the article suggests, although I am in no way the best-placed to discover Ghanaian sources. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Pickersgill-Cunliffe i sincerely appreciate your concern. we are currently running a contest on athletes that has participated in the African Games. This is a major tournament in Africa and a very notable one at that. We understand that these athletes are underrepresented in the media as they tend to focus more on other competitions like AFCON, Olympics among others. Media coverage has always been an issue here in Africa and we are trying in our own capacity not to let their achievements go unnoticed. I know other continents might not be able to relate to this constraint but I'd like to plead with you and other reviewers to resist from tagging subsequent articles for deletion. Thanks for your cooperation. Sunkanmi

Lawrenceburg Junction, Indiana

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Baker is seemingly less than accurate about labelling things "villages", and it's clear from looking at the maps and aerials that this is, as one might expect, a railroad junction. Mangoe (talk) 12:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New South Wales Institute for Educational Research Award for Outstanding Educational Research

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No sources when searching in Google news, books and Scholar. Sources 4-11 merely confirm winners but are not significant coverage about the award itself. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 09:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Summary of New Zealand national rugby league team test matches

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Article relys on a single source, article is strangely formatted and isn't consistent with other similar articles, case for WP:TNT so a proper List of New Zealand national rugby league team results can be created.

Previously PRODed, and was reverted on the basis that the article could be improved and that I as PRODed nominator had changed the name of the page. Yes, article could be improved, but there is virtually nothing novel or useful on this page so don't see why edit history needs retaining for a new article "List of New Zealand national rugby league team results". Articles name was changed to better reflect the article content. But in reality, it is so far away from the standard way to display a list of national team results that it's best to be deleted. To fix this page would involve removing 99% of the content anyway. Mn1548 (talk) 08:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:NOTDB Traumnovelle (talk) 04:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gaming the system

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Fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY, and the article besides its definition is merely an example farm of unrelated examples that are better off examined in articles like cheating or corruption. It is tough to make sense of it, due to how seemingly random and far from each other each example is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Buried Hearts

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The article's title neither official nor confirmed as the English title from the independent secondary reliable sources. Also WP:TOOSOON. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 06:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If I'm not mistaken in WP:TVSERIES, as long as the article had its creator, writer, and confirmed cast members with reliable sources, the article may be notable, and the title can be change if it's WP:COMMONTITLE. Aidillia (talk) 06:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aidillia You're right about TVSERIES that's why I created a draft article of the drama but on COMMONTITLE I will disagree just for the same reason of my AfD rationale. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 06:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So should just moved it to the original title? Aidillia (talk) 06:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Aidillia (talk) 09:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Canteen

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Appears like an advertisement/promotion for the Government of Andhra Pradesh. Proposing deletion. Thewikizoomer (talk) 05:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article aligns with various other government schemes in Andhra Pradesh, similar to initiatives of various states like Amma Unavagam, Amma Kudineer, Indira Canteens, and Ahar Yojana, which are all state-owned restaurant services. Additionally, I don't believe the language used is promotional in nature, so I'm unsure why you consider it to be advertisement/promotion for the Government of Andhra Pradesh. The article is well-supported by numerous reliable sources from reputable media sources as mentioned, thus I object this nomination.

The content that I have contributed is in-line and complying with the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Copyrights principles of Wikipedia in my good faith. 456legend talk 07:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with @456legend that this just reads like a description of a public welfare program, with a bit of praise for the people who set it up but otherwise factual and neutral. The claim this is promotional is unfounded (unless you want to say The revival aims to continue providing affordable and nutritious meals to all individuals is puffery.)

For sources we have Times of India on the initial launch, and another from ToI on the relaunch, and an article from India today. At least - I stopped there because all three are significant coverage but I'll look further if other editors think these don't satisfy notability. Oblivy (talk) 13:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sherry Gong

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It looks far WP:TOOSOON for WP:NPROF notability for this 2018 PhD and assistant professor with a handful of citations. A prize for undergraduate work does not grant notability, nor does the CAREER grant. Performance on the IMO might tend to meet GNG, if it were widely covered by reliable independent sources, but about all I found was a passing mention in Wired. [2] Recently deleted by PROD and undeleted by request on WP:RFU. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No evidence yet of significant achievement WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe (talk) 09:22, 28 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
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Delete. I'm very much in favor of showcasing accomplished women in mathematics, but the pedestal needs to be something they are already standing on, not something we place in front of them as an obstacle to trip over. She has not yet had the impact in post-student research needed for WP:PROF; although people at this point in their career can sometimes pass, doing so typically takes work with extraordinary impact and major prizes. Instead she is on a promising academic career track and if she keeps it up I would expect her to pass WP:PROF eventually, but eventually is not now. That leaves the IMO accomplishments and Schafer prize, which are separate enough to save the article from WP:BIO1E but would require in-depth coverage of her accomplishments in independent media for WP:GNG-based notability. I don't see that independent coverage. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sadly, I agree with all of the above. Like virtually all assistant professors, this is WP:TOOSOON.Qflib (talk) 20:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete After an unsuccessful search for independent news coverage, I have to agree with the delete !votes. Spacepine (talk) 02:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as David Eppstein notes she has IMO accomplishments which don't have in-depth coverage but do have a couple of sentences in three reliable secondary sources. Agree she doesn't have enough yet for WP:PROF but may for WP:GNG depending how notable the math olympiad accomplishments are. Nnev66 (talk) 17:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GNG is not about significance of accomplishments at all. It is about coverage of those accomplishments in multiple reliable sources, each published independently of the article subject and the events they describe, and with in-depth coverage of the article subject. What sources do you think contribute towards that criterion? —David Eppstein (talk) 21:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are the two I was thinking of. I found a third but didn’t add it to the page because I wasn’t sure it would matter. Nnev66 (talk) 00:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I saw someone added a NYTimes reference which I added to my list below. I changed my recommendation from “Weak keep” to “Keep”. There has been much better sourcing since the beginning of this discussion so I encourage folks who voted earlier to have another look. Nnev66 (talk) 15:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the entirety of the coverage in the NYTimes about Gong, a sentence only half about her: "Since then, two female high school students, Alison Miller, from upstate New York, and Sherry Gong, whose parents emigrated to the United States from China, have made the United States team (they both won gold)." That is definitely not an in-depth source in the sense required by GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There’s a second sentence later on: “Ms. Miller, who is 22 and recently graduated from Harvard, and Ms. Gong, 19 and a Harvard sophomore, both cite Ms. Wood as their role model.” I had noted earlier that none of the references I found have more than two sentences about Gong - you had asked me to list the reliable secondary sources so I did. My original question was whether IMO achievements are notable - they have been covered in top sources. Nnev66 (talk) 19:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Notable", in the context of an AfD, means that there exist reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject, not merely that "they have been covered in top sources". So you found a second half-sentence in one source; two half-sentences is still not significant coverage. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These four references have more coverage of the subject. Three were written to highlight winning the Alice T. Schafer Prize. Nnev66 (talk) 21:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Timmerman, Michelle B. (December 10, 2010). "Sherry Gong". The Harvard Crimson.

"Sherry Gong named Clay Olympiad Scholar". Clay Mathematics Institute. June 27, 2005. Archived from the original on 2012-05-11.

"Alice T. Schafer Prize for Excellence in Mathematics by an Undergraduate Woman 2011". awm-math.org. Association for Women in Mathematics.

"Math In The News | Sherry Gong Receives 2011 Alice T. Schafer Prize". Mathdl.maa.org. Mathematical Association of America. 2011-01-14. Archived from the original on 2012-03-08.

Nnev66 (talk) 21:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

McGuire, Annie; Collins, Donald (24 July 2002). "Mind-boggling games as the whiz-kids limber up for Glasgow Maths Olympiad". The Herald. ProQuest 332893451.

"Rising Stars". Science. 317 (5842): 1153. 31 August 2007. doi:10.1126/science.317.5842.1153c.

Rimer, Sara (10 October 2008). "Math Skills Suffer in U.S., Study Finds". The New York Times.
Nnev66 (talk) 00:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A coverage in Chinese media was added.
"美国华裔女孩5次参加国际数学奥赛3次拿奖". news.sohu.com, 2007-08-12.

24.107.3.211 (talk) 05:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
— 24.107.3.211 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Qflib (talk) 21:15, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, This is Sherry Gong's mother. I saw your discussion about media coverage of Sherry Gong. I will not vote because of the conflict of interest, but I would like to contribute some information about in depth coverage about her that was in independent media in Puerto Rico, specifically, El Nuevo Dia (Puerto Rico's most circulated newspaper, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Nuevo_D%C3%ADa) and The San Juan Star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_San_Juan_Daily_Star).

This coverage haven't been put online, but I have photos of the articles:

1. August 2, 2001: El Nueva Dia, page 22. See

https://ibb.co/FqhjzCX

2. August 3, 2001: El Nueva Dia, page 3. See

https://ibb.co/qMDPKGd

3. August 5, 2001: The San Juan Star, page 10. See

https://ibb.co/Jmd7Spn

4. September 16, 2003: El Nueva Dia, page 78. See

https://ibb.co/TH0N4Nz Sanjuanli (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Sherry Gong's mother. I hope she will become a regular contributor to Wikipedia. Unfortunately the only link of hers that I have been get to looks just like local Churnalism and is not enough to pass GNG. Of course, it is accepted by editors here that WP:Prof is failed. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I disagree. Not of welcoming Sherry Gong's mother and hoping she contributes to Wikipedia as I agree with that. But The San Juan Star article does not read like churnalism to me. The story has a human interest angle but it's written by a reporter who used to work for the Associated Press and provides significant coverage of Gong winning a silver medal at the IMO at age 11 when she was on the Puerto Rican team. It adds to the other IMO coverage of Gong. Nnev66 (talk) 02:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the comments. San Juan Star article is about Sherry got Silver medal and a Special Award for Original Solution at 2001 Math Olympiads for Central American & Caribbean, not for IMO. There is an article on El Nueva Dia talking about Sherry got Bronze medal on IMO 2003. Sanjuanli (talk) 21:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the welcome and comments. I don't know which page you can not see. So I post them from another site. (El Nuevo Dia is considered Puerto Rico's newspaper of record.)

It seems I can not post here--so I post them in the Talk page. Sanjuanli (talk) 22:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Gong is the only U.S. woman who won medals in both IMO and IPhO. This achievement qualifies her for a page. Significant improvements have been made on the page. The sections about IMO performance and coaching are rewritten with more details and independent references included. In the career section, Gong's notable contributions to mathematical research are included too. 128.252.229.153 (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The research contributions are far too early in the subject's career to meet any of the eight criteria described in WP:NPROF. It's virtually impossible for an assistant professor to meet that standard and so WP:GNG is the only possibility. Qflib (talk) 20:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— 128.252.229.153 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Qflib (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP Just add my two cents to this debate. I think Sherry Gong can be truthfully characterized as a rising star who is known for her exceptional contributions to the mathematical community, particularly in inspiring and supporting young women in mathematics. Alongside Melanie Wood and Allison Miller, Sherry is one of the few female students to have represented the USA in the International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO) before 2024. Her accolades include one gold, two silver, and one bronze medal at the IMO, along with a silver medal at the International Physics Olympiad (IPhO). Since then, she has been instrumental in training and mentoring female students for the International Math Olympiads, the European Girls’ Math Olympiad (EGMO) and the China Girls Math Olympiad (CGMO). Her efforts have made a significant impact on the next generation of young women in mathematics. Her success has been covered by prominent media outlets in both the USA and China, including The New York Times, The Atlantic, the Herald (Glasgow), Science, and Sohu.

In short, I think what distinguishes Sherry from other rising stars is that she serves as a role model for American female students pursuing careers in mathematics and science. From this perspective, her impact on the mathematics community is in fact long-lasting. 67.252.7.30 (talk) 23:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need sources to support those claims. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks for the comment! Here are the sources. Some may be duplicating what was already mentioned above. Sherry may not be at the spot light of the coverage, but the importance of her role should be evident.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/education/10math.html (NY Times)

https://www.imo-official.org/participant_r.aspx?id=7209 (IMO record)

https://www.aapt.org/olympiad2006/ (IPhO record)

https://www.ams.org/news?news_id=836 (assistant coach)

https://www.egmo.org/people/person110/ (Leader, Deputy Leader)

https://www.myscience.org/news/wire/cmu_hosts_new_math_camp_for_high_school_girls-2022-cmu (math camp coach)

https://www.news-gazette.com/wkio/vipology-single/html_9787332c-8a77-11ec-84d7-235488f5ac90.html?id=114973&category=girl-power (math camp coach)

https://www.g2mathprogram.org/staff (G2 program for female students)

https://math.virginia.edu/2019/09/sherry-gong-lunch/ (AWM meeting) 67.252.7.30 (talk) 16:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A chat over sandwiches is not a significant event in the life of an academic. Any time a scientist from another school comes to my university to present a colloquium talk for the physics department, we take them to lunch, and we invite students so they can have a casual conversation with the visitor. Talking up the importance of an event like that does Gong no favors. Indeed, it makes it sound like she is being hyped up by a public-relations crew that has no understanding of mathematics.

The G2 website is not an independent source. Anybody can put up a website and say things about themselves. Who, other than the G2 program, has written about the G2 program? Likewise, the "myscience.org" item is just a press release, a type of source that does us basically no good whatsoever, and on top of that, it doesn't even give Gong a single full sentence. The "news-gazette.com" page is even worse: it's a recycled press release, just scraped and churned so they can have some text on their website.

I'm all for showcasing accomplished women in mathematics, as David Eppstein put it above, but all we've got right now is fluff. XOR'easter (talk) 19:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is true that we frequently take colloquium speakers to lunch. But it is rare that we invite a speaker for the purpose of meeting with students. This occurs only when the speaker has something exceptional that would benefit the students. Is it not so? 67.252.7.30 (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although such things are very nice, they are almost never notable - and I've been invited to speak at universities for the sole purpose of meeting with students myself, and I am not notable. The only thing that would make it notable would be if it was covered by multiple independent, mainstream sources. So if the Boston Herald and the New York Times covered the colloquium event with focused articles on the colloquium then I'd agree that it was significant, but this is not the case. Please see WP:N.

Incidentally, can you please explain what you mean by "we?" Do you have a connection to the subject of the article? Qflib (talk) 15:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— 67.252.7.30 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Qflib (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: 128.194.2.54 has made few or no other edits other than to initiate a WP:PROD for Sherry Gong which led to this AfD discussion. The IP address is associated with Texas A&M University where the subject of the article is currently a professor. How much if at all does this matter? Nnev66 (talk) 21:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have little enough to do with Texas A&M, and made my own independent assessment of notability before this nomination, which I take responsibility for. The answer to your question is "not at all" -- even if the IP was a banned user, WP:PROXYING would apply. I remain unconvinced that the series of passing mentions and non-independent coverage adds up to a pass of WP:BASIC. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 07:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for moving my comment to where you thought it should go as I wasn't sure and for your answer to my question. I would have thought The Harvard Crimson or Mathematical Association of America were independent of the subject but I assume because the subject attended Harvard and received medals in math competitions they are not orthogonal. What about the Mom's scans of articles from Puerto Rican newspapers? It would make sense that there would be more excitement about the subject in Puerto Rico as she was the first from there to win a medal. Unfortunately I couldn't find The San Juan Star article in newspapers.com or Proquest. As I re-read WP:BASIC, it seems to me that the mentions in The New York Times, The Atlantic, and Science (magazine) are more than trivial. It's true there's no in-depth coverage but they are more than trivial in-passing mentions but rather acknowledgments of accomplishment at the International Math Olympiad. Nnev66 (talk) 13:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Local news coverage celebrating a local person's achievements, however admirable, is not enough for WP:NOTABLE. Also see WP:SUSTAINED. "Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability." Qflib (talk) 22:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~Weak keep Per meeting criteria #2 of WP:NPROF. CaptainAngus (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NPROF#C2 explicitly excludes student awards, even at the graduate school level. See the specific criteria notes, 2c. The only awards here are at the high school (IMO) and undergraduate (Schafer) levels. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, didn't catch that. I changed my reco to weak keep, under criteria #7 of WP:NPROF, in that her unique achievement of winning both IMO and IPhO. CaptainAngus (talk) 04:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You know that these gold medals are not "winning", right? There were for instance 58 gold medalists at the 2024 IMO. Also, that is not even close to the purpose of PROF#C7, which is about making research contributions that have a significant impact on society, or being famous as a leading expert on some topic, not about achieving a good score in a high school competition. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you add the [failed verification] after "tying for seventh place out of 536 participants"

This fact is showed in reference [4]

https://www.imo-official.org/participant_r.aspx?id=7209

In year 2007 of the above reference, it shows that her score was 32, rank 7, and relative 98.84%

Could you please add reference [4] at the place? Thank you. Sanjuanli (talk) 05:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are interpreting my [failed verification] tag incorrectly, despite the tag having a clearly stated rationale. It was entirely about the fact that, at the time I added the tag, the article claimed that she was one of four female US participants based on a source that listed three female US medalists, also, no, I will not participate in refbombing the article with tiny minutiae based on sources that have no depth of coverage of the subject. That is neither the way to build a Wikipedia article of any quality nor to find notability for the subject. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had removed @David Eppstein's [failed verification] tag when I found a journal article on "The Gender Gap in Secondary School Mathematics at High Achievement Levels" reference which noted only three girls had participated on US teams in IMO (as of 2010) and re-wrote sentences to match sources. I was the one who moved the [failed verification] to the line about tying for seventh place out of 536 participants as this is not mentioned in the reference next to this line. Since reference [4] is already used in the article and it supports rank 7, score 32 I went ahead and added it at the end of the line. Since the source was already used once in the article I figured it was OK to use it again as it wasn't adding to the already long list of references that don't add to notability on their own and make it harder for editors to evaluate the article. Nnev66 (talk) 14:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion belongs on the article talk page and not on this AfD, right? Qflib (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 13:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Weak) Keep - good arguments on both sides. There's a bit of too-soon/one-more-coverage-needed, but there's also more risk to learning and to the encyclopedia if we delete and we have missed a source. The Math DL/Math in the News coverage ended up being the tipping point for me to move from weak delete to weak keep. We have one math organization covering with a full article an award given by a different math organization. This meets my (and I think WP's) definition of a significant prize, and not a run-of-the-mill student award. That plus the notability-from-one-thousand small articles is a keep for me. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 20:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the nominator and David Epstein. jraimbau (talk) 14:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that some alternative to deletion is merited here. Perhaps merge/redirect to International Mathematical Olympiad#History, as the subject's historic performance there is noteworthy for the event. Alternatively, move to draft iff there is reason to believe that further information can be developed supporting article-worthiness. BD2412 T 21:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support a redirect / lightly merge outcome, perhaps to the "Gender gap" section of the International Mathematics Olympiad article. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 21:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in agreement with David Eppstein's comments. She seems to be a very good mathematician, perhaps in the future a wikipage will be more suitable. Gumshoe2 (talk) 01:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, reluctantly. I have kept coming back to this AfD since it started. For certain she appears to be a rising star, but that is not the same as a NPROF notable academic. I don't see a redirect to International Mathematics Olympiad working as there already are quite a few women there, but I won't oppose that if someone adds content and does it after the delete. While she does have supporting articles about her achievements to date, I don't think they are enough. She is young, I expect her to have done enough in a few years. As always, Wikipedia is a trailing indicator, so it has to be deleted for now. Ldm1954 (talk) 03:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: In the anticipation of a possible merge/redirect ATD closure, I invite interested editors to add sourced mentions of Sherry Gong to articles such as those mentioned above, so that we have a redirect target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 05:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I have to agree with the comments above that although she has the potential to be notable in the future she is not there yet. Athel cb (talk) 16:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As a winner of the Alice T. Schafer Prize for Mathematics, Gong meets Criterion 2 of WP:NPROF. Since she only has to meet one criterion, I think this establishes her notability.DesiMoore (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jane Parker (academic)

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Non notable academic. The only non broken references are generic or links to university faculty pages, and it appears to be used self promotionally. The subjects high h-index on Google Scholar is the result of her sharing a name with a different researcher. --Spacepine (talk) 06:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I used IAbot to fix a broken reference. Probably notable as co-editor of an academic journal, Labour and Industry (1030-1763), although Wikipedia does not have an article on the journal. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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DrThneed, I thought I’d draw your attention to this article and suggest that an article rescue is as legitimate as creating a new one. Schwede 66 10:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Schwede66. I'll have a go at sorting out that mess of a publication list for a start. First glance at her uni profile suggests to me that she is notable (full professor is not an easy ask in New Zealand, where named chairs are not the norm), and A ranked in PBRF is a significant achievement and not something I think they'd let her say on her page if it wasn't true. DrThneed (talk) 19:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Wrt notability I think she is notable in her field. The Big Issues In Employment is in its second edition, and was made broader in scope for the second edition. That, the chief co-editorship, the ILEA Committee membership and the leadership of a large international research collaboration (not mentioned on the page, I will add) all contribute to notability.
Wrt to improving the page: Noting that I have built her a Scholia to contain all the pubs that I've removed from the page. I've divided what's left into type of publication (as I think that is helpful for readers), and selected the publications that ResearchGate/Scopus/Google suggest are most highly cited. I'm not at all wedded to this selection though if other editors have opinions. DrThneed (talk) 01:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Notable in her field --ProudWatermelon (talk) 00:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete articles need to be based primarily on secondary sources and there does not appear to be enough secondary coverage for an article. The only secondary source about her is too brief to create a proper article from. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article certainly needs some help by someone who knows more I do, but I think it can be kept for now. Bduke (talk) 01:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Clearly a consensus to Keep but in AFD discussions, we don't need editors stating that the subject is notable. Our opinions do not matter. We need reliable, independent, secondary sources to establish notability, especially with a BLP. I see this article is referenced and a source review might help with this evaluation process.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refs 1 and 2 are her thesis and university profile. Ref 3 is a study she peer reviewed. Ref 4 appeared to be decent secondary coverage, although not enough for an article; however it is a contributor piece by 'Fusework Media' and I am not able to ascertain if this is a reliable source or not, their website is here: [3]. Ref 5 and 6 are employer profiles. Refs 7 and 8 are work she has done, with the news source being a statement from her in relation to her news, nothing here can be used to support a biography. Ref 9 and 10 are again, just studies/journals she has worked on and have no useful information to extract. 11 is just another employer biography. Ref 12 is an autobiography/self-description. Ref 13 is mention of something she is working on but it is just trivial and simply mentions her name as being involved on it and gives us nothing to write about her. Ref 14 is just a name mention that she won an award.

I do not see these sources as being adequate to satisfy the notability requirements. (WP:WHYN) Traumnovelle (talk) 06:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; I agree with Traumnovelle's source review and have not found any better sources out there to meet WP:GNG. No indication of meeting any of WP:NACADEMIC's criteria 1,3,4,6 and 7. 2 requires more notable awards than what she has, 5 requires some special type of professorship, which this person does not seem to have (edited), and 8 requires a more notable journal than what she has. — Alien333 ( what I did
why I did it wrong ) 09:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: She seems to be Notable in her field. There are probably some more references out there. TheSwamphen (talk) 03:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TheSwamphen, when you find these references, please bring them to this discussion. It's not enough to say they are out there, sources have to be put in the article or brought here so that they can be evaluated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to h index, I checked her on OpenAlex but that profile also has conflation issues. I've asked them to fix it, and referred them to the Scholia I built for her, and hopefully we might be able to get a more accurate idea of her impact. DrThneed (talk) 03:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as reviewing all of these comments, it's not clear to me whether or not WP:NACADEMIC is met since it sounds like she is a professor (unless I misunderstood DrThneed's comments).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Badami (1786)

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Y. N. Deodhar is not WP:RS/WP:HISTRS, nor WP:SCHOLARSHIP, they are not a historian and are thus an unreliable source. Google scholar wields no results; [4]

Sanish Nandakumar is not a historian, and has a B.S in economics, they are in no way scholarship, especially only having made one book. - No results on google scholar: [5]

This page is poorly created with a spam link of sources in each paragraph.

The other sources provide little but a passing mention. [6] Noorullah (talk) 21:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Y.N. Deodhar is a M.A. and also a PHD in history which is mentioned in the source used in the article itself. [7] and Another source calls Y. N. Deodhar an “veteran historian” [8]. Also your search results doesn't even mentions the name of "Y. N. Deodhar".

Y. N. Deodhar's book [9] along with these two reliable sources [10] (page no 52-53), [11] (page no 178-179) clearly gives significant coverage to the event. GroovyGrinster^{Talk With Me} 13:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y.N Deodhar is not cited as having a PHD in history, he's not even on google scholars, which is what you pointed out for me by saying "your search results doesn't mention the name", yes, that's the point, he's not a scholar cited on google scholars.

And I'm sorry but "Venkatesh Rangan" is not a historian, he's an author. [12]

Deodhar, already unreliable as aforementioned, his book provides little insight. The two other sources you cited, are already responded towards, Govind is not a historian. Noorullah (talk) 23:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move on from Google Scholars. I'm not gonna talk about Y. N. Deodhar again because I've already provided an source which literally calls Y. N. Deodhar an “Veteran historian”.

Although Venkatesh Rangan mentions Y. N. Deodhar as a historian, I've no idea that why does it matter that Venkatesh Rangan is a historian or not because Venkatesh Rangan's book isn't even used anywhere in the article that's totally irrelevant in the AfD (WP:AADP).

Even the Uttarakhand Open University here [13] (page no 239) mentions Y. N. Deodhar as a historian.

Govind Sakharam Sardesai is a famous historian,[14] there is literally a Wikipedia article on him (Govind Sakharam Sardesai) which also calls him a historian. GroovyGrinster^{Talk With Me} 10:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The book written by Govind is outdated per WP:RAJ(1946). Couldn’t find much info about Deodhar other than the links you’ve showed. I guess he’s okay based on what I’m reading, but if that’s the only reliable source that mentions this, then I’m not sure it requires its own separate article.

“Consequent upon the capture of Badami, the strong fort of Bhadur Band capitulated to the Marathas and Haripant proceeded to capture copal, another fort about four miles distant.” There’s only one line that mentions this battle in Deodhars book, and there are no other details other than “it was captured”. This tells me that this event lacks Wikipedia:Notability, which means it doesn’t warrant its own article if it’s based on one line from a book. The other sources don’t seem reliable or fall under WP:RAJ. Someguywhosbored (talk) 07:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:

As per explanation given by @GroovyGrinster the article is notable and sources provided are WP:RS giving significant coverage of this Siege even if we don't consider YN Deodhar the other two i.e Sen, Sailendra Nath [15] (page no 52-53) and Sardesai Govind Sakaram [16] (page no 178-179) clearly gives significant coverage to the event.

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Govind is WP:RAJ. His book was written in 1946. Which makes it outdated. Deodhar makes a small mention of Badami being captured but doesn’t mention a siege or any other details beyond that. As I’ve mentioned before, this event lacks notability, and I already pointed out many of the issues within this article. Someguywhosbored (talk) 18:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete:

Not convinced that this needs its own article. Only reliable source here is from Deodhar and it’s one line about it being captured, with no other extra details or information(see context above). In fact it doesn’t even mention a siege, only that the town was captured. This article lacks Wikipedia:Notability. Govinds book appears to fall under WP:RAJ which makes it an unsuitable addition for any article. The other sources don’t appear to be reliable either per noorullah. One throwaway line/passing mention of this event doesn’t warrant a separate article.

Edit: I’m beginning to think that WP:SYNTH and WP:OR is at play here. How did the user who wrote this article get all this information from one line in Deodhars book? I don’t see how he got the numbers in the info box, nor how he managed to fill an entire article based on a throwaway line. Non of the information in the body for example seem to directly relate to the capture of Badami. There’s no mention of any of that in regards to Deodhars book. So again, there’s barely any information about the CAPTURE(not siege) of Badami in the sources provided. Most of this article employs original research and synth. Even the title is OR, there was no battle. Majority of the information here is falsified. Someguywhosbored (talk) 07:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Capture/Siege of Badami is given significant coverage in these two sources [17] (page no- 53-54), [18] (page no- 178-179). This source mentions this conflict as Siege of Badami in the page number 52 [19].

WP:RAJ doesn't apply to Govind Sakharam Sardesai's Book because it only applies to caste related stuff. Hence Govind Sakharam Sardesai's Book is a WP:RS, Also WP:RAJ isn't a policies or guidelines of Wikipedia, it's only an Essay. And All of the sources pass WP:RS, Can you explain that how according to you they aren't reliable? GroovyGrinster^{Talk With Me} 14:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see why you’d assume that it only applies to caste related topics but that’s not the case. This has been discussed many times in the past especially on RSN, but typically, all sources that fall under the raj era are not seen as reliable. While the essay written by sitush focuses on caste, most of the same issues mentioned there apply to all raj era historians.

And btw, Govind was already picked apart in RSN for the same reasons I mentioned(WP:RAJ), it’s an outdated source.

“Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 291#Reliability of Govind Sakharam Sardesai

“The sources I have seen suggest that it was first published in 1928, which makes it a bit dated, I have no opinion on the accuracy of the source though. “

“I see to recall being informed that prior discussions has found any source published under the Raj was automatically not an RS”

Anything that was written during the raj era is outdated and thus not RS. Sitush can clarify this further for you if you’d like to ask him, as he’s already discussed this detail many times in the past.

“Also WP:RAJ isn't a policies or guidelines of Wikipedia, it's only an Essay”

It’s an essay written by one of the most prolific writers of Indian historical topics on Wikipedia. Sitush is a content expert. And this is something that has generally been accepted by the community. Raj era sources are typically almost always viable for removal.

Furthermore, the point of the essay was to let the readers know that RAJ era sources are unreliable and outdated. So even if this isn’t a policy(which is irrelevant, this issue was discussed multiple times), WP:RS still exists. We are looking for high quality sources on wikipedia, not outdated work from the raj era. And as I’ve clarified, Govinds work has already been picked apart by RSN.

“Can you explain that how according to you they aren't reliable”

well I should clarify what I actually meant. look at this source for example https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.69209/page/n56/mode/1up

it actually doesn’t seem unreliable based on what I’ve read, so this source is fine but where is the siege of Badami mentioned? I can’t find the quote in the page numbers cited. It seems that this was likely mistakenly added in. So we can’t use this source for information it doesn’t even have. Now as for the final source

https://archive.org/details/dli.csl.7298/mode/1up

There is no page number cited so I can’t even find where it mentions Badami. Furthermore I can’t find any info about the authors credentials, but even if he was reliable, where has he written about the the siege of Badami?

it seems to me that out of all these sources, only one of them mentions anything about Badami. Not that there was a siege mind you. Deodhar makes a passing mention of the town being captured and that’s it. There is no other details. So again, why is this a separate article? After checking all the sources, I realized this article is far more problematic than initially anticipated. The text doesn’t even correspond with what’s written in the sources cited. Someguywhosbored (talk) 17:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Freund Publishing House

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Article without notoriety or readable encyclopedic context Alon9393 (talk) 05:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Unreferenced and nothing in google news. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 05:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One-upmanship

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Fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY, with its content essentially just being an explanation of its origin that could easily be included in the Wiktionary page. I don't see evidence of the term having standalone notability or passing WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Driftwood Cottage

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Does not meet WP:GNG and insufficient to be presumed notable by WP:NGEO. Suggesting redirect to George W. Reamer#Professional background, which has been done twice by two separate editors but being objected by an editor. Graywalls (talk) 03:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strikes me as notable - I performed a quick search for citations and added a couple books which mention the subject. I may also send an email to the Monterey County Historical Society to see what resources they have should this article be kept (and welcome anyone else doing so). DCsansei (talk) 08:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On an aside, was this listed as "Japan" simply because of the garden or is there a further connection? DCsansei (talk) 08:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DCsansei:, by "mention" is it significant coverage? Reference bombing with "mentions" can't compensate for lack of in-depth significant coverage. It's just like if a really large slab of wood is sought after, a whole bunch of wood chips won't substitute it and that's basically what packing together a bunch of sources with a mere mention is attempting to do. I put it in Japan category based on "Architectural style(s) Japanese architecture". Graywalls (talk) 13:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment buildings that would otherwise not be notable often become so because of previous occupants. This of course will immediately trigger the knee-jerk reaction about the essay WP:INHERIT (which has tons of qualifiers and warnings about usage). We have many examples of buildings that became notable because of previous occupants, for example Bron-Yr-Aur, "best known for its association with the English rock band Led Zeppelin". The place and the people who lived there become "associated" ie. the place is famous because of the famous people associated with it. This of course needs to be backed up with sources, which is why INHERIT does not apply, so long as there are sources, there is nothing wrong with a place made famous by famous residents. -- GreenC 14:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to George W. Reamer (the builder/architect who is notable) or alternatively to Jean Arthur a notable actress who lived in the house for a while and apparently did a lot of entertaining there. I gave the subject of this AfD a lot of thought before coming here to !vote. The house itself is not notable, the sources describe it in relation to the Reamer or Arthur. I'm sure it is or was a very nice house with a beautiful view, there are a lot of nice homes for wealthy Californians in Carmel – this one is not wiki-notable. It's one of scores California "celebrity homes" (WP:MILL). It is not on the NRHP or even the state registry (neither of which would confer an "instant" notability pass anyways). There are a few claims in the article that I have been unable verify in the sources. Netherzone (talk) 13:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Celebrities need to live somewhere, so you are right there are probably many in CA. More important is if reliable sources talk about it, is how notability is assessed. -- GreenC 04:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to an appropriate target. Not enough coverage. Bearian (talk) 18:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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David Van Bik

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A (very interesting) article about a Bible translator that unfortunately fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO for lack of WP:SIGCOV in secondary, independent, reliable sources. The two main sources for the article are both WP:SPS and thus prima facie unreliable. One is a collection of remembrances by Van Bik's friend; the other is a self-published (Xulon Press) book by a close friend of Van Bik and thus not independent. A WP:BEFORE search turns up nothing else of use. Don't see a valid redirect target. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this is a bit of a stretch, but per ANYBIO #2 The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field, I'm seeing him referenced briefly in the academic missiological literature as a translator:
"This was followed by David Van Bik and Robert G. Johnson’s translation of the Old Testament, published by United Bible Society through BSI in 1978" in Haokip, D.L. (2020). "Bible Translation in Kuki-Chin of Indo-Myanmar and Bangladesh: A Historical Analysis." In: Behera, M. (eds) Tribal Studies in India. Springer, Singapore. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-981-32-9026-6_7

"More Chin students, including well-known Chin Bible translators, David Van Bik and Stephen Hre Kio, came and studied in the United States afterward." in Mang, P. Z. (2023). Chin Diaspora Christianity in the United States. Theology Today, 80(2), 173-182. https://doi.org/10.1177/00405736231172682 Jclemens (talk) 19:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it seems like a stretch... there are a lot of people who work as Bible translators in the world's many languages, and I don't know that these brief references constitute a "widely recognized contribution." The second reference claims him to be "well known" but the rest of the sourcing doesn't validate that. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Taking a cursory look at the article, the source formatting is impressive and I initially believed that the subject was undoubtedly noteworthy. But looking at a sources a bit more reveals how narrow and superficial they are. The article's sources all come from just one book. Looking just at the PDF of the book reveals some serious problems (besides the fact that it is written in, yes, Comic Sans). First of all, the book seems to be self-published, which immediately excludes it as a reliable source per WP:RSSELF. The article also takes some of the exaggerated claims in the book as fact when it should not. Looking at [20] it looks like a WP:BLOG. It goes without saying that the article is sort of a mess, and its sources are no different. The subject fails the widespread, independent secondary sources usually required for notability. GuardianH (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article's sources all come from just one book is not a correct statement. The majority of the sources do, including quoting separate chapter authors so it seems more diverse than it is, but not all sources come from that book. Jclemens (talk) 23:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
--> Correction: yes, I meant to say most sources, rather than all. GuardianH (talk) 00:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: [21], [22] are some of the better sources. He's mentioned quite a few times in Baptist media in Gbooks. Oaktree b (talk) 00:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One more [23]. Oaktree b (talk) 00:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b, that "On the Road Back to Mandalay" source you link is discussed in my nomination; it's a WP:SPS from a close friend of Van Bik and thus neither reliable nor independent. The Theology Today source is a single WP:TRIVIALMENTION. (This is the only sentence that mentions him: "More Chin students, including well-known Chin Bible translators, David Van Bik and Stephen Hre Kio, came and studied in the United States afterward.") The Wisconsin Baptist source appears to a similarly trivial mention. I still don't think we have WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Short Life of Anne Frank

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The film does not appear to be significant by the rules of Wikipedia WP:MOVIE. No detailed coverage in authoritative references, no reviews, no awards.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Anne Frank Unbound: Media, Imagination, Memory (Indiana University Press, 2012) has coverage about the film. See also: https://www.statesboroherald.com/life/anne-frank-a-history-for-today/ or https://www.deseret.com/2014/4/7/20538955/explore-the-world-of-anne-frank-no-need-to-go-to-holland/ for example. Can also be redirected to List of films about Anne Frank -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 2 of 3 of the above sources appear sufficiently in-depth to count--the Stateboro Herald being the exception. No objection to an editorial discussion about merging this into List of films about Anne Frank, but I do not believe the sourcing is so bad that a forced merge or redirect from AfD is appropriate. Jclemens (talk) 05:33, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Cultural depictions of Anne Frank without prejudice, as an improper SPINOFF. While there is no problem with the notability of this film, i.e. the intro is mistaken, the write up is short and entirely missing at the parent level. We need to fix that first before a detailed (!) article will be justified. gidonb (talk) 12:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Cultural depictions of Anne Frank would indeed be a good choice here, since the page itself is a little skimpy as to standalone notability. TH1980 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: In addition to the sources already in the article, there are reviews in the Library Journal, the School Library Journal, The Video Librarian and the Library Media Connection. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 12:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. The ProQuest links above are capsule reviews (a single paragraph, at most). So even if we had 100 of them, there would not be enough content to substantiate a standalone article. I.e., it's missing the "significance" part of the general notability guideline. These are periodicals that review materials indiscriminately to advise librarians on what content to acquire. Everything that these capsule reviews say can be summarized within a short blurb in Cultural depictions of Anne Frank. The other news sources above similarly do not describe the topic in depth. czar 01:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Shorter reviews carry more weight if there's a lot of them, and there seems to be a decent amount here. A non-terrible article could be made from this if anyone wished to try. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Biafra Referendum

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Not fit for a separate article from the topic Simon Ekpa. The sources are to a large extent media-repetitions of what he says on social media, in WP-terms way to much WP:ABOUTSELF, and what he says has been turned into WP-voice. Ekpa himself is notable, this project of his is not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I find the statement The sources are to a large extent media-repetitions of what he says on social media, in WP-terms way to much WP:ABOUTSELF to be maybe unintentionally wrong. I just assessed most of these sources and did not spot any that I can categorise under WP:ABOUTSELF. I reassessment or overall source analysis might be appropriate if the nominator can. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanderwaalforces Thanks for commenting. Take these sources from the article as example.[24][25][26] Much is repetition of What Ekpa says and announces (and they generally make that clear). This is, in my understanding, ABOUTSELF even if repeated by others. That is pretty much all that is known on this whatever. This [27] may very well be a WP:RS, and it clearly states "Ekpa says X and Y." For some reason "Ekpa says 30 million voted" from that source becomes "30 million voted" in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I put it this way: Ekpa is a fine source that he said 30 million voted (If it should be mentioned on WP somewhere may fall under WP:NPOV). He is not a fine source that 30 million voted, etc. For that, he is "questionable/unduly self-serving" even when the media who repeats it is not SPS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:

The article is an "event" and not an "individual". It only happens that the organizational structure that most updates are coming from Ekpa as the leader of the organization and such, he is the center of reportage. I don't see like WP:ABOUTSELF on the refs. The article not only covers the self-referendum but the billed declaration in Finland from 28 November to 3 December 2024 and it's a long term article to be further stretched and diversified as the Nigerian government made comment and Ekpa invited them to convention where the self-referendum will be conclusive. Interesting days ahead, so therefore I strongly vote keep. The article tends to track the event. References:1., 2., 3. Wår (talk) 18:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~ Comment

Keep rather than to be merged to Simon Ekpa or deleted. The Nigerian government has already reacted making the article divergent.

This and that are also independent sources that most content of the article is built. The referendum event is still ongoing event and Inconclusive till December 2024 per sources. So IMO, it's better not to be deleted and then we create another article on this in the next three months. This article is intended to keep record of the event and not on individual Simon Ekpa. Wår (talk) 07:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC) Wår (talk) 07:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@War Term, please, change this to a comment. You are only meant to !vote once. Best, Reading Beans 15:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ben Brown (writer)

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Writer fails WP:NBIO. Article has been tagged for notability since November 2022. GTrang (talk) 05:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: References fail to pass WP:SIRS and so article fails to pass WP:NBIO. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Tappin

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The subject appears to be a non-notable individual, lacking significant coverage in reliable sources that establish notability. Most of the sources cited in the article and on the talk page are passing mentions, interviews, primary, routine coverage, or hearsay, none of which provide in-depth coverage. The article fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, and WP:NAUTHOR. Additionally, off-wiki evidence suggests potential undisclosed paid editing and sockpuppetry. GSS ^💬 13:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep in the talkpage of this article there are lot of significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 03:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Xegma Do you really research on topics or just go on voting 'delete' at AfDs? Did you check the talk page of this article? There are significant coverage in China Daily and The Telegraph and all are present in the talk page. Even nominator failed to do WP:BEFORE. Unless it is a UPE issue, there is no reason to delete. It is a Keep. Hitro talk 21:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The articles you are referring to seem to be paid promotional pieces, structured as interviews, which often include sections like "bio" and "CV" at the end of the article—something rarely found in genuine editorial news. It's a common feature of sponsored content. Additionally, the Telegraph article lacks an author byline, which raises questions about whether it was even produced by their editorial team. GSS ^💬 03:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The China Daily article, the one I am referring to, was written by Andrew Moody. I hope you are not implying that Andrew Moody, a renowned journalist and recipient of the Friendship Medal (China) from the Chinese government, was just an editor of paid promotional pieces.

The Telegraph article, which is almost 16 years old, appears to be written by Dominic White and must have been published on the old format of the website of The Telegraph which was significantly different from current one. Please check the other articles of same years, you won't find author bylines.

Apart from those, I also see WP:SIGCOV in this, a South China Morning Post article.

I see that this BLP article was created on Wikipedia in 2008 and being nominated for deletion now due to some recent UPE activities. IMO, it's more appropriate to restore the best version of the article rather than delete it entirely. If you have a case that this has been a UPE product from the start then I'll rest my case. Hitro talk 15:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HitroMilanese, I respect your expertise, but I must point out that all the articles you've mentioned are essentially interviews, which do not meet the standards of independent sources required by WP:GNG. For instance, the China Daily article explicitly states in the second paragraph, "Steve Tappin says," while the Telegraph article includes phrases like "But Tappin, whom I meet" and "Talking to him, it almost seems..." Similarly, the South China Morning Post piece follows the same pattern. These sources rely heavily on hearsay and fail to meet the criteria for WP:IS.

Regarding the absence of a byline in The Telegraph, I managed to find many articles, both older and from the same time period (even 2008), with proper author attribution, such as this. It's unfair to say the byline is missing simply because it could have been published in an older format of the website, where bylines were not prominently displayed.

Additionally, the article was created by a single-purpose account (SPA) with no contributions outside this topic. Given the subject's history of hiring freelancers to update his article, it is highly likely that the SPA either has a conflict of interest or was hired to create this article. GSS ^💬 06:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment : I am posting on behalf of Steve Tappin, so I assume my vote would not count, but I just wanted to bring to your attention that Mr. Tappin meets the criteria for WP:AUTHOR, WP:BASIC and WP:ENT. As WP:AUTHOR, if there are multiple reviews of his work he would qualify. Below are some links to his book reviews
https://www.managementtoday.co.uk/books-special-steve-tappin-tells-us-secret/article/845739 - book review
https://timesnewsgroup.com.au/geelongtimes/living/renowned-authors-to-share-secrets-on-personal-development/ - Book review
https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-85788-513-2 - The Secrets of CEOs - Book Review
https://kimtasso.com/book-review-the-awareness-code-the-secrets-to-emotional-empowerment-for-incredible-leadership-by-wayne-linton-and-steve-tappin/ - Book Review (Even tough this is a blog, the original article is from February 2022 edition of Professional Marketing magazine, as stated
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/m/eduonline/2009-11/23/content_9103252.htm - Book Review, contains quotations, but about half the article is original journalist commentary

In addition WP:BASIC states that “If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability;” Tappin has over 40 articles online as you can also see some posted in the tal page. Also the following article is in depth:

https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/vGunLo5swZ5apoTkVPeZcK/Steve-Tappin--The-author-spills-his-secrets.html - very indepth

Finally, as per WP:ENT he would qualify because he was the host of BBC TV show CEO GURU for a long time - over two years - and has been on at least 30 episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuzzsoth (talk • contribs) 23:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amadour

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Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Note tag added. Present coverage all PR. Introducing Amadour, EP being released soon. scope_creep^Talk 16:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This promotional biography of an emerging artist. The article is trying to cobble together notability-by-association. It doesn't matter who or how many well known artists someone has studied with or interviewed or written about or allegedly curated into shows. The article has been ref-bombed mostly with things he's written about others; student newspaper profiles in the Daily Bruin(UCLA); blog-ish PR advertorials such as Cultbytes a "strategic communications agency" (PR agency "online publication"); and user submitted content websites "submit your music!". Delete per WP:PROMO and WP:TOOSOON; does not meet WP:NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 13:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect to Saint Amadour. I can't remember how this came to be on my watchlist, possibly due to a previous article of this name that got deleted. If so, that does not seem to have been about the same person. There are potentially four claims to notability made here: As a visual artist, as a musician, as a writer and as a curator. None of those are substantiated. The article seems to be trying to inherit notability from minor connections to notable topics. The sources are poor. Many are just their writing, which provides verifiability that they have written, but proves no notability. The music coverage is minimal and one of the sources is a Tumblr blog. The visual/conceptual arts stuff is even thinner, most are just a single passing reference in coverage of group shows, mere entries on a list. There is potentially a fifth claim to notability in that they are described as an art critic here. What we seem to have here is a person who is trying various different things in and around the art world and who has yet to become notable for any one of them. Getting redirected to a (probably fictional) saint might seem like a bit of a kick in the teeth but it is the right thing to do, at least for now. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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M. M. Akbar

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The person is not notable. The reference provided are only of some news, that too 'times of india' mentioning he is involved in a criminal case. His name itself came into the news just because he is accused involved in some criminal illegal activities. clearly fails natability. Also the references are arabnews and http://www.muhammmadnabi.info which is self published Aparamoorthy (talk) 13:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No references, no structure, no good writing. Quick deletion should have been requested. Alon9393 (talk) 03:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: WP:GNG , (WP:SIGCOV) pass, there are reliable sources available Spworld2 (talk) 02:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SosMula

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Rapper appears to fail WP:NBIO and WP:GNG, as there seem to be no other sources besides self-published ones. GTrang (talk) 04:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not everything in life has a peer reviewed scientific paper written for it buddy. This is a semi-underground rapper we're talking about here, of course he's not going to have every little thing about his life published on relevant blogs & fact-checked and scrutinized by publications as time goes on. You trying to delete his entire page and his life's work and identity rather than letting the public read about him & create their own conclusions - despite the sources being from himself or from a select few relevant publications, does more damage to the concept of free, unadulterated access to information and is tantamount to censorship, in my opinion.

There is NO NEED to delete this page, but as usual, this site is controlled by power-wielding and weirdo moderators who love deleting and reverting people's hard work, so I'm not holding out on you doing the right thing and leaving this page up. Do as you wish but just remember, in the grand scheme of things, you, me, SosMula and everything else will destruct and wipe away when the heat death eventually occurs so don't overthink & do the most on this encyclopedia site on a Friday night. ✌️ 2001:56A:F471:5500:E54C:3998:1B29:16E3 (talk) 05:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to City Morgue where there is already plenty of info about how semi-underground he is. He does not get his own article simply because his City Morgue partner has one. SosMula's solo work and personal life have not qualified for an encyclopedic article due to a lack of reliable music media notice, and his article is dependent on social media posts and self-hyping sites. Note that I did not resort to insulting anyone with a different opinion on the matter, as that is a really ineffective technique for winning a debate. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UCI Health – Los Alamitos

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Does not meet WP:SIGCOV nor WP:NCORP. I thought about bundling with the Fountain Valley edition. However, there might be something about each specific location that could be found with a further in-depth search. Conyo14 (talk) 04:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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UCI Health – Lakewood

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Does not meet WP:SIGCOV nor WP:NCORP. I thought about bundling with the Fountain Valley edition. However, there might be something about each specific location that I wouldn't want to mix with the others. Conyo14 (talk) 04:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bancroft Times

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Newspaper fails WP:GNG. GTrang (talk) 04:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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UCI Health – Fountain Valley

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Does not meet WP:GNG. The sources speak of the majority of hospitals within the network but give no significant coverage of the Fountain Valley location Conyo14 (talk) 04:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of University of Ottawa Students' Union elections

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Does not meet WP:NLIST. The candidates are not even notable for their own article. Conyo14 (talk) 04:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and NLIST. Nobody outside the university (and no doubt a sizable portion of the student body) would care in the least. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Derrick Anderson (politician)

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Political candidates do not meet WP:NPOL. Otherwise, there is no evidence of the subject meeting WP:GNG. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 04:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drawer dishwasher

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The article solely discusses one manufacturers particular model, and has always been this way; it was renamed from "DishDrawer" to "Drawer dishwasher" early on, but its content has never changed.
The focus of the article is ostensibly on dishwashers that open horizontally. That's nowhere near worthy an entire article.
Very few pages link to it, only dishwasher, the article of the product's manufacturer, and a message to a contributor who was then banned for advertising.
Much of the article's talk page discusses its status as an advertisement and its use of a trademark.

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Tushar Palve

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Biography of a doctor makes no claim of notability sufficient to satisfy WP:BIO. Highest claim is that he ran a 350-bed hospital. Associate professor, no notable academic achievements, a handful of low citation count articles, nothing to satisfy WP:NPROF.

I have done WP:BEFORE searches and have found no significant independent coverage although his name does get a lot of search hits, too many to read all of them. I'd reconsider my nomination if someone turns up some significant coverage (but see next paragraph).

This article was tagged for WP:BIO then WP:PROD but editor @user:Monophile removed the PROD tag and re-added the BIO template after adding links that simply mention or quote the article subject, plus self-penned or promotional articles like this, none of which are significant coverage. If new sources can't bring it up to BIO, it should be deleted. Oblivy (talk) 03:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No pass of WP:Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
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Delete. Per nom. Fails WP:NBIO and WP:NPROF. Mostly sources with passing mention and entries and some are primary workplace sources and promotional WP:NEWSORGINDIA and does not show any significant achievements noteworthy nationally and internationally to satisfy notability about the subject role as doctor, practitioner, gynecologist and Professor. RangersRus (talk) 12:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sufficient sources mentioned for notability, so i'm also keeping The Indian Express 2 The Times of India Hindustan Times It has been written about him in big Indian newspaper, since 2020, he is working as a superintendent in the Cama Hospital — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monophile (talk • contribs) 12:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Today @Monophile the article creator has twice added information to the article without providing a reliable source. Just 24 hours ago they removed an unsourced awards section stating that no notable sources had been found. Today's edits first reinstated the awards section, then just one supposed award, twice been supported by cites that do not mention any award.
The three citations added today just quote Dr. Palve in the context of reporting on the hospital. That's neither significant coverage nor evidence of his notability. Even if the hospital was notable he wouldn't inherit that.
While I am somewhat sympathetic to Monophile's patent desire to see this article kept, WP:HEY requires actually moving the article towards notability. In my opinion, these are low quality cites and dubious claims and shouldn't move the needle at all. Oblivy (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto Insurance

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Non-notable business, promotional. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NCORP. Cabrils (talk) 03:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Can't find WP:SIGCOV beyond regurgitated press releases. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

McCoy, Indiana

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Another rail point that apparently someone hoped would become a town, but "platted" does not inevitably lead to "constructed", and there's no sign there was ever anything other than station that apparently held the first post office. McCoy is a common name so lots of false hits, exacerbated by a "Lake McCoy" to the northeast, which of late seems to have been the subject of local political problems which paywalls unfortunately block my knowledge of. Mangoe (talk) 03:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dummy (band)

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Non-notable music group. Fails WP:BAND. Cabrils (talk) 03:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I see two album reviews from Pitchfork, two from Paste, one from Stereogum, one from PopMatters, and that's just what's already linked in the article. The group seems like it easily clears WP:BAND. hinnk (talk) 08:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets WP:NBAND#1 from the contents of the article alone. Geschichte (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand. I wonder if the nominator simply looked at the article's lack of detail, which currently makes the band look less notable than it is. The band is featured/reviewed in the indie rock press regularly, and the sources already cited can be used for historical info to expand the article beyond its current stub state. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep they're notable; article just needs some work Rainsage (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumuria Technical School and College

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Non-notable school. Fails WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 03:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nommed, no sign of notability of any flavour. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete non-notable school. Xegma(talk) 14:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable, nothing comes up in Google searches that would warrant a standalone article. Procyon117 (talk) 14:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So Be Steadfast Operations Room

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Non-notable minor political faction. Fails WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 03:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per this comment from the author. It was mistakenly posted to article space when it was meant for draft space. -- Whpq (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Janith Kashan

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Non-notable Sri Lankan businessman. Promotional. Fails WP:ANYBIO. Cabrils (talk) 03:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per nom. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 07:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. LinkedIn is not an acceptable source. Dan arndt (talk) 13:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freeland Wood

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Does not PASS WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sources listed are all from a local paper while the other is election results. After an internet search there does not appear to be anymore significant coverage to make him notable. Grahaml35 (talk) 02:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG and lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 13:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barra Head (band)

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No credible claim of notability. Too underground to pass NMUSIC, and doesn't pass GNG either. Badbluebus (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one source is not enough need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death Threat (hip hop group)

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Doesn't pass WP:NMUSIC. Badbluebus (talk) 02:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ulrich Lange

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Only source is a self-published website anyone can edit. It's certainly possible that this could be a notable topic, although I was unable to locate entries in standard music reference works that cover people like this such as the New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians or Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Both foreign language wiki articles are built off of the same source. A reasonable WP:ATD could be redirecting this to Thomaskantor. 4meter4 (talk) 14:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, I found mentions of him in some books:

Bach's Famous Choir, The Saint Thomas School in Leipzig, 1212-1804, devotes about a paragraph to Lange on page 22, where it's mentioned that he composed St Mark Passion which was performed into the 17th century

The Renaissance: From the 1470s to the End of the 16th Century, gives another paragraph to the subject on page 276 Microplastic Consumer (talk) 16:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the second source is only available in snippet view, so it is hard to judge the depth of coverage. The first source largely covers his contributions as Thomaskantor which could easily be used to expand that article. I'm still not convinced a separate article is needed on this person. It's borderline.4meter4 (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a screenshot from that second book. More digging found a german language source from 1920 published by the University of Illinois; Geschichte der deutschen Musik von den Anfängen bis zum Beginn des Dreissigjährigen Krieges which on page 411 discusses Lange. Monatschrift für Gottesdienst und kirchliche Kunst mentions him on page 184 as well.

Meister der Renaissancemusik an der Viadrina, Quellenbeiträge zur Geisteskultur des Nordosten Deutschlands vor dem Dreissigjährigen Kriege seems to have some info on Lange (p 78) prior to being Thomaskantor, but is just a snippet. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment same source [28] as used in my discussion for the Otto AfD (right above this one)... I'm more clear about Otto's deletion discussion than this one, I'm not sure if this person is notable or not. Otto has a lack of sourcing.Oaktree b (talk) 05:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wicked Rose

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All information is contained and better summarized at NCPH Group. Tule-hog (talk) 01:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. Withdrawn, found second source. (non-admin closure) PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An Open Heart (book)

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No reviews except the single one I added to the page and one from a fringe integrated medicine publication which doesn't count. Redirect to 14th Dalai Lama#Publications? PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alan Shefsky

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Subject does not meet notability criteria per WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Sources provided are mainly primary, and the ones that aren't are (1) an obituary, (2) Find a Grave, (3) an article about an exhibition of his letters to a pen pal, (4) a couple of notices about a tribute by one of his students. None of the sources are about him in any significant way. ... discospinster _talk 01:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I should've submitted for review. There are three newspaper articles concerning his work or renditions of it, two concerning performances of his poems by Northwestern, and another about an exhibit of his work after his death. Though I can easily link others. He seems to be congruent with a notable academic or creative figure. Hypnosef (talk) 01:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added further sources, let me know if more is still required Hypnosef (talk) 01:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! Hypnosef (talk) 02:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would respectfully disagree that none of the sources pertain to him in any significant way.

Source #5 fourteeneastmag.com details "the touring exhibition Poet to Poet: Living Letters, a 13-year correspondence between poet Abe Louise Young and poet Alan Shefsky. Their friendship was preserved in loose leaf papers of written word before Shefsky died from a brain tumor." The source explicitly pertains to his being a poet and his dying of a brain tumor. 2. #6 chicago tribune, details the two's friendship, their long correspondence, and his death from cancer. 3. prizer arts and letters, states that this touring exhibition travelled to Austin, Texas. 4. Sources 8&9 are his poems published in a well-known literary journal. The find a grave and obit were simply to establish birth and death years as they were less readily available than other information. I have also added ten different publications that thank Shefsky by name, though many more exist. These should be sufficient to establish his lasting impact in the academic community. He was a very well-known figure at Northwestern for years.

Hypnosef (talk) 02:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lesedi FM

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Article about radio station with much unsourced content and lack of independant sources or significant coverage. On inspection one of the three sources appears to fail verification as well. It might be possible that the article could be merged into South African Broadcasting Corporation if, as is claimed in the lead, the station is a subsidiary of that organization, but I cannot find confirmation of this fact. Lenny Marks (talk) 00:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Radio and South Africa. Lenny Marks (talk) 00:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NRADIO. National radio station with wide listenership. Coverage in WP:RS indicates notability in terms of WP:GNG. [29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37]

[38][39] (one of the largest radio listener bases in South Africa) etc etc. I got tired of finding sources (I’m on mobile) but there is a large amount of coverage Park3r (talk) 08:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Historical Atlas of the World

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I am unable to find any sources that discuss this in depth. The book is an English translation of the 1962 edition of the Cappelens historiske atlas, which I couldn't find any sources for either but I don't know where to look for obscure sources in Norwegian; if that's notable we could make it a page on that. This looks like about a paragraph, could be more, but the preview cuts off and it's all I could find. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I know where to look for obscure sources in Norwegian, and was able to find the following:

Ten reviews in newspapers or periodicals on the 1962 edition

Two reviews in newspapers or periodicals on the 1983 edition

Therefore I am leaning keep, though none of these sources mention a subsequent English edition. Geschichte (talk) 12:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedpost (book)

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One solid review already linked in the page, nothing else to fulfill NBOOK. Redirect to Shobhaa De? This on Google Books says something about it but I can't figure out if it's useful since the preview cuts off. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Shobha De: Per nomination, this does not meet WP:NBOOK all by itself. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files

File:Whinnendempseystand.jpeg

Doubtful own work - low resolution, no camera data and appears on external websites such as Tripadvisor or trip.com. Trip.com also has a slightly higher-resolution version here, accessible from this landing page. Felix QW (talk) 06:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects

Sonderjyllands Fkyvelselsskab

Sonderjyllands Fkyvelselsskab → Cimber_Sterling#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This re-direct has a spelling error - I therefore created a new redirect page (Sonderjyllands Flyveselskab) so I propose the old re-direct is deleted. Ydemark (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Event Pokemon

Event Pokemon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

uh... retarget to gameplay of pokémon#distributions? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon and description

Pokemon and description → List of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

target is missing the "description" part. while the more focused lists of pokémon for each generation have those, i find it unlikely that someone searching for this would be looking for any specific gen cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pokemon by species

List of Pokemon by species → List of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

what are different pokémon, if not different species? does this count as redundant, or...? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The target is a list of Pokémon species (as opposed to individual Pokémon), so this seems plausible, albeit we don't have any other lists of Pokémon. Like a "List of people by name". 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Devon scope

Devon scope → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

thought i nominated this before, whoops. unmentioned, unnotable, and unimportant (unless you really like kecleon or something) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yars Rising

Yars Rising → Yars' Revenge#Follow-ups and remakes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete per WP:REDLINK as the game itself is notable and an article can be created there. Making a redirect will make editors assume it is not in fact notable. As REDLINK says, "please do not 'kill' red links by redirect because their red color (annoying to some readers) seems to scream for a fix. It is easy to turn any red link blue by creating a redirect, but valid red links exist for a reason". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

create yars' rising, and then delete both per nom cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish Plane Crash

Turkish Plane Crash → Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is far from being the only crash of a Turkish plane or the only plane crash in Turkey. Delete this redirect.Mr slav999 (talk) 04:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if we have a list or category of plane crashes in Turkey that might make an appropriate disambiguating target. List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location#Turkey exists but does not cover all accidents (e.g. military aircraft). Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in Turkey is a navbox listing all the incidents in Turkey notable enough for a stand-alone article plus a link to List of hijackings of Turkish airplanes. Neither will contain Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 (the present target) as that crash happened in Amsterdam. Turkish Airlines#Incidents and accidents is relevant too, but there are 11 other airlines of Turkey with their own article. Category:Accidents and incidents by airline of Turkey‎ does exist but I don't know how comprehensive it is - and it too only covers airlines. Category:Turkish Air Force contains no obviously titled articles. Thryduulf (talk) 05:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Ambiguous (could refer to crashes in Turkey or crashes of Turkish planes). No suitable alternative target per Thryduulf. No incoming links, not a useful search term. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Glaring violation of WP:TITLEDAB. Carguychris (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Brainworm

Bobby Brainworm → Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Appears just to be a social media insult/nickname used for RFK Jr, I do not see any use of this term outside of forums/social media. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: a) Nominator's rationale isn't really enough to justify deletion of a redirect (indeed, admitting usage in social media and forums FAVORS keeping it) , b) RFK Jr having a Brainworm is RIGHT THERE in an article _pbp 04:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is mentioned, but 'Bobby Brainworm' just appears to be a disparaging nickname, see WP:R#DELETE #3. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:01, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
R#DELETE #3 contains the caveat: "unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article". Since Bobby's brainworm is discussed in the article, that caveat would clearly apply here _pbp 06:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete Per WP:G10. While the fact that he had a worm in his brain was confirmed by sources, this is clearly not a neutral phrase and is more of a disparaging nickname as indicated by its capitalization and the slang version of his name. If it was something like "RFK brainworm" then the "keep" !vote would have more of a point. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wikipedia policy: Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion _pbp 12:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - And I would argue that WP:G10 absolutely does not apply to redirects as redirects are not user-facing... we expressly allow (and even encourage!) non-NPOV redirects, biased redirects, and so forth as search and navigation assistence. If the term is getting use on social media, someone may stumble upon such use and not understand what it is. A good reaction to not knowing what something is is to type it verbatim into the wikipedia search bar, where it will explain what the thing is. This redirect serves that purpose well, and even explains why the nickname exists even if the article doesn't mention the nickname exactly. Again, redirects are NOT USER FACING. No one will see it who has not already seen it elsewhere and is directly trying to find out what it means. Fieari (talk) 07:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, then where exactly is the phrase commonly used in reliable sources making it required for navigational assistance? Redirects are not commonly based on social media trends, which people can claim to be nearly anything because there's no way to confirm it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per pbp and WP:RNEUTRAL. Thryduulf (talk) 11:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't see the point. Google found a mere 48 hits before "we have omitted some entries very similar...." And a few of those 48 were this redirect and discussion. (Total hits, including the dupes, was only 527.) "Bobby brainworm" does not have enough use for Google Trends search term lookup. There has been exactly one use of this redirect in the pageview statistics, and possibly that was the creator or somebody checking out the new addition. Aside from people's possible 'har har' value from seeing a pejorative sobriquet in Wikipedia, this adds nothing. -- M.boli (talk) 13:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page views are not reliable in this case because views before the redirect was created on the 11 September are not recorded so we have no idea how much it is being used. Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anti‑LGBT

Anti‑LGBT → Outline of LGBTQ topics#Anti-LGBT topics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anti-GLBT → Outline of LGBTQ topics#Anti-LGBT topics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anti-LGBT → Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anti-LGBTQ → Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anti-LGBTQ+ → LGBT rights opposition (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This needs some consistency. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget all to Outline of LGBTQ topics#Anti-LGBTQ topics as the most broad overview. The others are too specific to point to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WİKİPEDİA

WİKİPEDİA → Wikipedia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible redirect Largoplazo (talk) 02:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Either WP:RLOTE or just nonsense. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Our article about the dotted I character notes it's used in six languages. I looked at the main page of the Wikipedias in all six of those languages and not one of them use this spelling of Wikipedia (Kazakh and Tatar use the Cyrillic script, the others all start with V). Google is useless as it does not distinguish between "I" and "İ", so despite knowing that Turkish speakers sometimes use the letter when writing English I know of no way to see if they do so in this manner and the redirect is too new to have any recorded page views so that's no help either. The creator does not have a user page, but their contributions show no apparent affinity to topics associated with any of the six languages and didn't leave an edit summary or other explanation when creating it, so there is no evidence to support the redirect being useful. Thryduulf (talk) 04:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Pure nonsense. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 07:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is just "Wikipedia" converted to upper case in accordance with Turkish casing rules, so falls vaguely under WP:RLOTE. The search box interprets upper case dotted Is as if they were normal Is anyway (e.g. a search for "FİTBİT", which does not have an equivalent FİTBİT redirect, takes you directly to Fitbit). Rosbif73 (talk) 08:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Vandalism cruft. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VVikipedia

VVikipedia → Wikipedia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible redirect Largoplazo (talk) 02:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People unable to use their W key will write two Vs instead. Whether that makes this plausible I do not know. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an epidemic of people unable to use their W keys? If so, has research established that they do this? And what do people who can't use their S keys or their A keys or their N keys do? Largoplazo (talk) 11:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The stats page is giving me an error. Is that because it's 100% unused or is the server just hiccuping? Fieari (talk) 04:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neither. The stats tool only records data for extant pages, and this was created less than 24 hours ago meaning it has no data to show (and handles this ungracefully). Thryduulf (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. It seems there are a few closed/still-born projects with this name, several usernames, a wiki on Fandom with 13 articles in Brazilian Portuguese, lots of usernames (most prominently a youtuber who posts videos related to skateboarding) and a handful of OCR-type errors. https://vvikipedia.com/ [it's blacklisted so I can't link] is none of those, but quite what it's purpose is I don't understand - it's a very crude rewrite of Wikipedia pages to say what you want (e.g. I input "France" and "Dijon is the capital" in the input boxes and got https://vvikipedia.com/wiki/en-US/France/Dijon%20is%20the%20capital. That aside none of these are notable, so the only question us whether this is a plausible search term for Wikipedia. Certainly nobody using this search term will be WP:SURPRISED to end up at the Wikipedia article, but will people use it? I don't know - it's too new to have any recorded page views. As it's harmless I think the best thing to do is leave it alone for about 3 months and see whether it's getting used or not - if it is leave it alone some more, if it isn't bring it back here. Thryduulf (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They will be surprised to end up at the Wikipedia article if, as you say, there are other projects with this name, in which case someone searching on this name is looking for that. Your two arguments are undermining each other. Largoplazo (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Thryduul pointed out OCR errors as a potential use case, and that sounds like a useful thing to redirect for to me. (Not to mention, unambiguous target, harmless, WP:CHEAP, etc.) At the very least, give it a year or so to see how much it's actually used in practice. Fieari (talk) 06:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Vandalism cruft. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per thryduulf's arguments being tvvo sides of the same skill issue. one highly implausible, and one reliant on everyone conveniently forgetting that this redirect vvas uncontroversially deleted before (granted, it vvas in 2014, so eh) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sideslip angle

Sideslip angle → Slip (aerodynamics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Web search mostly brings up content related to slip angle as opposed to the aviation term. Whatever the outcome, a side-slip angle redirect should probably be created with the same target. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I agree that the term is rarely used in aeronautics, because a definition of sideslip is that it is the angle formed between the longitudinal axis of the aircraft and its velocity vector, so calling it a sideslip angle is kinda redundant. Sort of like saying "cosine angle". (In automotive terms this is called "dog tracking", caused by poor wheel alignment, because that's how a dog walks.) In diagrams it's most often represented as the math symbol theta, as in "slip θ" or "sideslip θ". I have no opinion on what to do with the redirect, because I simply came due to the notice placed at the target article, but thought I'd give my two cents on the matter if it helps anyone decide. Zaereth (talk) 02:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I follow your analogy since a cosine is generally not understood as an angle, but from what I understand from the article, a sideslip can be a qualitative condition while the angle is unambiguously quantitative. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 03:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In practical application, such as refraction in optics, sine and cosine are directly translatable into angles. For example, according to the Machinery's Handbook, if sine is 0.707107 then what you have there is a 45 degree angle, regardless of run or rise. Likewise, cosine is a measurement of the opposite angle, which at 45 degrees is also 0.707107. The point is nobody calls it a cosine angle. Likewise, in aeronautic books nobody ever calls it a slip angle, they simply say your slip is 20 degrees, or 30 degrees, or whatever the case may be (because it's a variable). You only see that kind of language being used by amateurs, which is why it doesn't show up as much on google. Zaereth (talk) 05:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The page Sideslip is presently a redirect to Slip (aerodynamics) so nothing is achieved by having a second redirect from Sideslip angle. Dolphin (t) 05:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This phrase is very common according to web searches, so I disagree that we shouldn't have a redirect for this. In addition, if this was to be retargeted to slip angle, then the targets would even be different pages. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Slip angle, as that page expressly has sideslip angle in bold as an alternative name for it in the lead sentence. There is also a hatnote pointing to the aeronautics article as well, so that will catch the rarer use case. I would certainly not object if someone created side-slip angle and pointed it to the same destination. Fieari (talk) 06:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pax Softonica

Pax Softonica → List of Nintendo development teams#Pax Softnica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect should be deleted, as it links to a section of the target article which had been removed. It is also a typo redirect of a company which had been deleted years earlier (Pax Softnica), which was demonstrated to be lacking in notability. MimirIsSmart (talk) 01:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Side-slipping

Side-slipping → Outside (jazz)#Side-slipping (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sideslipping → Outside (jazz) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

May also refer to sideslip. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as this has the exact name of the thing being searched, but we can add a hatnote to slip angle and/or slip (aeronautics) to clear things up. We should probably Refine Sideslipping to the subsection as well, to be consistent and also in case the article expands more. Fieari (talk) 06:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Needs attention. Yes, of course sideslip or side-slip is a standard alternative term for outside playing in jazz – see, e.g., K. Engelhardt (1996), Young Charlie Parker and Side-Slipping: the Efferge Ware Connection. Jazz Research Papers. 16: 177–188. But it's also used in classical contexts: Grove Music uses it in relation to Bizet, Elgar, Richard Strauss and Vincenzo Tommasini. 1234qwer1234qwer4, you brought this here, but I don't see that you've made any proposal; what are your thoughts? Can you confirm that you are not proposing deletion? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, whenever there is ambiguity I generally imply that the question to discuss is whether the term should be retargeted, disambiguated or hatnoted. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcastive

Sarcastive → Sarcasm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

the history says some haiman guy coined the word, but i found nothing on its origin or existence, and haiman is a dab. not sure if it refers to john haiman or some other unmentioned haiman. please pretend this was written in a clever, sarcastic way cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Economic totalitarianism

Economic totalitarianism → Compulsory cartel#Types of compulsory cartels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It was originally an essay, which got turned into a redirect. The redirect target was changed several times until someone finally found an article that actually mentioned "economic totalitarianism", but that mention has since been removed because it was a POV-pushing essay. Hence, there is no plausible target. Un assiolo (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Walter Nash. Paradoctor (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was used as a bit of political rhetoric in a single memorandum. It is absolutely inappropriate to link there just because of that. There are a few other mentions of "economic totalitarianism" in other articles. They are all similar one-off rhetorical accusations. There is no good target. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This was at AfD four times in 2006 and the last mega discussion considered all previous AfDs, and closed as No Consensus. Trialsanderrors converted this to a disambig and reverted it when there was no support at the AfD. Restore this version and AfD again. Jay 💬 15:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. I would oppose restoring the previous article because it is literally just an excerpt from Capitalism and Freedom. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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𐼸𐼰𐼲𐼹𐼷𐼰

𐼸𐼰𐼲𐼹𐼷𐼰 → Sogdian alphabet (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This word means ‘paper’ in Sogdian. It does not make sense to redirect an arbitrary word to an article about the alphabet it is written in. Per WP:RFOREIGN, it would also not be appropriate to retarget it to Paper, because paper does not have any special connection to Sogdian. Therefore, this redirect should be deleted. Gorobay (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as implausible and surprising. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 01:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. WP:RFOR absolutely applies here. Fieari (talk) 07:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates and Modules

Template:Diplomatic missions of Honduras

Template:Diplomatic missions of Honduras (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Contains only 2 English WP links, one of which is up for deletion. LibStar (talk) 15:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Manual of Style

Template:Manual of Style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Manual of Style with Template:Style.
I feel that this page should be merged with Template:Style, because people make edits to one and not the other, thus causing confusion about which pages are actually part of the MoS. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 14:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose but will watch the discussion. One is a sidebar navbox and the other is a footer. Two different kinds of creatures and Wikipedia maps. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a way to make them automatically sync? JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 19:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The two templates seem to be used more or less on the same pages. I've never noticed the footer - the fact that it's fully collapsed by default doesn't help - but use the sidebar occasionally, presumably because of its prominence. There's no need for two navigation templates for the same MOS, and reducing maintenance burden and confusion by merging would help reallocate editor time to more important tasks. It's possible to sync them up using flexbox or other CSS tricks - but it would be faster and easier just to drop the footer. -- Beland (talk) 17:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do use the bottom navigational template sometimes, as it can be much wider in width than the sidebox at the top which is significantly limited in width, and thus the bottom one is a bit easier to look through for me. — AP 499D25 (talk) 08:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They could also draw from a common source of data, similar to how {{GATable}} and {{Grading scheme}} both use Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC. Though again, that is probably not worth the extra work. ― novov (t c) 05:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose One is a sidebar navbox and the other is a footer.Moxy🍁 15:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose IMO, the sidebar and navbox complement (not duplicate) each other. Miniapolis 00:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – two separate navigational templates for separate usecases (i.e. top and bottom), even though they have the same functionality. — AP 499D25 (talk) 12:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete one of them. I'm more partial to removal of the navbox, since MOS pages rarely have content floating right, but I ultimately have little preference. I don't think it makes sense to have two, certainly. Izno (talk) 16:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The added benefits of each format don't outweigh the redundancy in my opinion. I'd definitely be in favour of keeping the sidebar, not the navbox, as from my experience that is more conveniently positioned. ― novov (t c) 05:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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WAFLW link templates

Template:WAFLW Cla (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFLW EF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFLW PT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFLW SF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFLW Sub (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFLW SD (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These are link templates only with no special function, which are not sufficiently complex to merit a template. Suggest subst and delete. Izno (talk) 14:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep These, like a lot of similar useful shortcuts, are often used with the subst function, so you can't tell how often they are used. Why are you trying to make things harder for editors? The-Pope (talk) 15:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Templates which are so simple distract from learning wikitext: bare links are preferable in general so that pages are easy to update. I did not make an argument about how much they are used, but it's true, they aren't used very often. Izno (talk) 15:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As Pope said: if they were subst'd then you can't tell the actual usage. It's not an issue of learning wikitext, it's ease and speed of editing and makes things easier. That's already two editors who edit in the project telling you this. --SuperJew (talk) 09:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Make that three editors (just saw Aspirex replied below) --SuperJew (talk) 09:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I've said this before, if links for teams, groups, companies, games, etc., need a template, then why aren't we doing this for every other one that doesn't use a template? While this might seem silly, this is actually a core design philosophy here, either a template should be used for simple links, or plain links and redirects should be used. Looking at 2023 AFL Women's supplementary draft, Template:WAFLW Cla is used there manually, which means that someone took the time and instead of writing a clear link, used the template. This to me is very unhelpful as it makes reading the Wikitext harder. If these templates would have been used in automated way where code takes part of an article titles and from there uses it to find a template, then that would have been a different scenario, which this isn't it. TL/DR: less helpful than plain links with no real added value. Gonnym (talk) 16:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In response to your first comment, there are templates like this for most Australian football teams. Maybe we are just lazy, and you think it's a worthwhile endeavour to punish us lazy people and force us to write out [[Claremont Football Club|Claremont]] instead of {{WAFLW Cla}} or {{subst:WAFLW Cla}} everytime. I just don't think you should be able to tell me how I should be editing. Shortcuts are good, especially on mobile. But I wouldn't be surprised if people like you now go and hunt out and try to delete all of the other shortcut templates because of very serious editor reasons. I would very much doubt that many people are reading wikitext without understanding how templates work. The-Pope (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the two batches I did with the intent to nominate all of them. I stopped because you raised objections about these batches, so we would not have to have the same discussion multiple times over with N batches instead of 2. "There are other ones" is not a defense of this set. Izno (talk) 16:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"There are other ones" is in direct response to Gonnym's "why don't we do it for all" comment. We do do it for all in this topic space. But the "people like you will go and hunt them" was directed at you. Under WP:NPA I removed numerous adjectives from that sentence before posting. The-Pope (talk) 02:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete, obfuscates the wikitext with no significant benefit. Frietjes (talk) 19:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as for WAFL templates, there appears to be no policy against using shortcut templates in the manner in which these templates are being used. The arguments in favour of delete all seem like individuals' editing preferences and 'an alternative exists', and I can't find any policy or guideline which either encourages or precludes this. Therefore I say keep; as pointed out by the Pope, these shortcut templates are a ubiquitous and efficient feature of WP:AFL editing; and their functionality should be so quickly obvious to editors of any experience level that it renders "makes the wikitext harder to read" no more than a minor inconvenience, not a reason for wholesale deletion. Aspirex (talk) 08:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep These templates (and similar ones) are very useful for ease of editing effeciency, and save valuable time. Regarding the issue of making the Wikitext more complex, who exactly is reading the wikitext apart from other editors? And they are either of the project and themselves use the templates in editing and are familiar with it or a one-off look in who it shouldn't really affect at such a level anyway. If it really is such a big issue, the use can be changed to automatic substing via a bot. --SuperJew (talk) 09:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Similar to reasons that Aspirex, SuperJew, The-Pope have outlined - templates like these save time and adds efficiency and seem pretty useful Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 09:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As others have explained, these shortcuts have utility and value. If there was an explicit policy against their use, then fine, but seemingly there isn't. Storm machine (talk) 04:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 14:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WAFL link templates

Template:WAFL CC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL Cla (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL EF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL EP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL Fre (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL Frm (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL Imp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL NF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL PT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL Per (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:WAFL Rov (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
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Template:WAFL WP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These are link templates only with no special function, which are not sufficiently complex to merit a template. Suggest subst and delete. Izno (talk) 14:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep These, like a lot of similar useful shortcuts are often used with the subst function, so you can't tell how often they are used. Why are you trying to make things harder for editors? The-Pope (talk) 15:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Templates which are so simple distract from learning wikitext: bare links are preferable in general so that pages are easy to update. I did not make an argument about how much they are used, but it's true, they aren't used very often. Izno (talk) 15:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That said, if it were true they were substed often, Template:WAFL EP wouldn't have 300 links. Izno (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
editors use it in different ways. Why do you feel you can demand that other editors edit like you edit? Why are editor assistance shortcuts bad? To make it clear, because I don't know if everyone actually knows what these templates, and many more like them for other leagues, generally do, is they remove the words "Football Club" from being displayed whilst still keeping it in the link, so that prose reads better or tables or lists aren't overwhelmed by repeated Football Club. It's much easier to write {{WAFL SF}} or {{subst:WAFL SF}} than [[South Fremantle Football Club|South Fremantle]].The-Pope (talk) 06:46, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. (copying my comment from the nomination above this, however, if replying to me, please only reply in one of them) I've said this before, if links for teams, groups, companies, games, etc., need a template, then why aren't we doing this for every other one that doesn't use a template? While this might seem silly, this is actually a core design philosophy here, either a template should be used for simple links, or plain links and redirects should be used. Looking at Perth Football Club, Template:WAFL CC is used there manually, which means that someone took the time and instead of writing a clear link, used the template. This to me is very unhelpful as it makes reading the Wikitext harder. If these templates would have been used in automated way where code takes part of an article titles and from there uses it to find a template, then that would have been a different scenario, which this isn't it. TL/DR: less helpful than plain links with no real added value. Gonnym (talk) 16:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete, obfuscates the wikitext with no significant benefit. Frietjes (talk) 19:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I don't much care about the outcome of the discussion, but the all the template for deletion warnings make the article 2024 WAFL season almost unreadable, and probably all others before! Please have a look for yourself. How is that improving Wikipedia? Calistemon (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Calistemon I had somewhat meant to use the tiny tag rather than the inline tag and then left it after nominating everything. I have no issue changing that since you've brought it up. Izno (talk) 15:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question is there a policy against using shortcut templates in the manner in which these templates are being used? So far, the arguments in favour of delete all seem like individuals' editing preferences and 'an alternative exists', and I can't find any policy or guideline which either encourages or precludes this. Certainly I want to keep them if no such policy exists; as pointed out by the Pope, these shortcut templates are a ubiquitous and efficient feature of WP:AFL editing; and their functionality should be so quickly obvious to editors of any experience level that it renders "makes the wikitext harder to read" no more than a minor inconvenience, not a reason for wholesale deletion. Aspirex (talk) 23:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Wikipedia:Consensus is a policy. Gonnym (talk) 07:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that means there isn't. So I advocate for Keep. Aspirex (talk) 08:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep These templates (and similar ones) are very useful for ease of editing effeciency, and save valuable time. Regarding the issue of making the Wikitext more complex, who exactly is reading the wikitext apart from other editors? And they are either of the project and themselves use the templates in editing and are familiar with it or a one-off look in who it shouldn't really affect at such a level anyway. If it really is such a big issue, the use can be changed to automatic substing via a bot. --SuperJew (talk) 09:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Similar to reasons that Aspirex, SuperJew, The-Pope have outlined - templates like these save time and adds efficiency and seem pretty useful Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 09:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As others have explained, these shortcuts have utility and value. If there was an explicit policy against their use, then fine, but seemingly there isn't. Storm machine (talk) 04:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 14:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of Laos

Template:Diplomatic missions of Laos (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Contains 2 English WP entries, both of which are up for deletion. LibStar (talk) 14:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Incumbent bishop of Lindi

Template:Incumbent bishop of Lindi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. Content is a simple wikilink. No documentation, categories, or incoming links. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom, not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Virat Kohli series

Template:Virat Kohli series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not enough coverage for a Sidebar. Half of these articles are irrelevant to the topic. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 06:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's also the following template for the same reason,

Template:Ravichandran Ashwin series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural, second template was tagged just nine hours ago.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Str find word/report

Module:Str find word/report (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and incomplete module according to the comment left ("not fit for mainspace in any form") a year and a half ago. Gonnym (talk) 08:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Single-use roster template with no documentation, categories, or template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cite braincomms

Template:Cite braincomms (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This is a citation template for a single paper and is currently transcluded in only three articles. I don't see a sufficient reason for this to exist, so I propose to subst and delete. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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